Weak Leaders, Obama, Macron Not Made Strong by Handshake

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  1. AmericanNationalist

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    I saw Eisenhower as a Centrist Republican, who took the initiative to create NATO originally and its well-intended mission at the time. But if Eisenhower would see the commitment we've made in over the last half century, he would also stand up to say the US far extended its commitments. As a result of our far-reaching extension, we could not protect our people in Tripoli because we didn't have the manpower.
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    I found Truman to be an ineffective president, who simply had the ability to press the nuke button to end WW2. But that was an easy decision, as opposed to Roosevelt fighting the war.

    To me, a strong leader is one who knows what he's doing and what he wants to accomplish. And to this end, I don't think ANY country has strong leaders. A strong leader is one who respects and guards over human rights and protects those rights.
     
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    I think you're very misinformed about what happened within the Democratic party a year ago. The party leadership was corrupted by Hillary and she used her influence, reputation, and connections to pervert the nomination process in her favor. This wasn't about Democratic voters or the base being bad people or wanting to turn the country into something un-American. This is about the few people from within the leadership that ran a smear campaign against a political opponent that opposed Hillary. The super delegates exist for one reason, to negate whatever the voters choose that does not fall inline with whatever the party bosses want.

    You are vilifying liberals and Democrat voters in the same way that Hillary called conservatives "deplorables". Do you not see the irony here?
     
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    Your self proclaimed expertise in history is showing again.

    Eisenhower did not create NATO.

    Harry Truman and George C Marshal did. (I'm guessing that you don't even know who he was

    I sincerely doubt that Eisenhower would have even though the notion that you are attributing to him. He was a solid believer in the Atlantic Charter and the world order that the US had established after the end of WWII.

    Nor does this have anything to do with staffing in Tripoli. The GOP Congress had cut funding for embassy security. Trump is proposing cutting it still more.
     
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    The Republican party has always been the party of the rich. It was founded and run by the iron, steel, banking and railroad interests of the industrial North, and has always represented the moneyed class.

    Every Republican Presidential candidate since Bob Dole has been a billionaire who inherited most of his money. Every one.

    Donald Trump has just invited the board of Goldman Sached into the government, while his knuckle dragging base was still ranting about the transcripts of a speech.

    Trump sold the US to the oil and gas industry.

    And Trump is flatrantly peddling the Presidency for his own financal gain.

    Then you rant about Primaries.

    Had the GOP primaries been elections where every vote had equal weight, Donald Trump would never have won the nomination.. He never once won an absolute majority in any primary he ran in until after he had secured the nomination and it didn't matter anyway. He never got out of the 40 to 45% range. Trump didnt get there because the majority supported him

    At every turn, the majority did not. Even in the national election, he won because of the way the rules were written, not because he got the most votes.

    The rest of your post is idiotic name calling, although less offensive and less openly racist than the OP.
     
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  5. ChemEngineer

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    You sound like someone who voted for Hillary. Who is it that is rioting, and acting like a bunch of fools?
    Oh that's right, Hillary's supporters. Take sides, Hillary or Trump. Don't try to play Mister Perfect, above everyone.
     
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    He was its first General, so there's that. I apologize for the error. We're ALL a believer in the world order that was established. But the cost of maintaining that order should have equally been shared between America and our European partners. And what we're finding out(whether you like it or not) is that our European partners do not believe they share the same obligations.

    No, they'd much rather have the shield of the "big bad imperial US" to protect them, so that money can instead be redirected to Europe's social programs. And thus, that world order organically collapsed on its own(and would have, even if Donald Trump didn't exist) because increasingly, to "protect" that social order, meant a world theater in Eurasia once again.

    And such a theater should it exist, defeats the ENTIRE purpose of the US-European Security alliance: To prevent such a theater from ever happening. Europe believes that with the US as an attack dog, it can pressure Russia with impunity. And any Russian reactions would be seen as "aggression".

    And this victim-blame game is fueling itself to this new European theater. Very basically, once again the European nations have grown itching for blood as they have the last century. The World Order was a success in that it kept the two sides from war for perhaps the longest time in their history, but Europe failed the alliance, not the US.

    Now we must make the decision of whether we're once again going to go to war in Eurasia or not.(You've already made your decision clear), and I've made mine: American lives lost in Eurasia, and the possible conflict between nuclear powers is not worth the Alliance. We must bring two babies(Russia and Europe) to a negotiating table and force them to an agreeable resolution. That is our role in Europe right now.
     
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    Pure genius. No, really. George Soros - Democratic Sharia Party Hanoi John Kerry - Democratic Sharia Party, who MARRIED into his wealth Ted Turner - Democratic Sharia Party Richard Branson - Democratic Sharia Party
    Warren Buffett
    Hollywood Ignorati, most of whom dropped out of high school, and on and on

    Says the knuckle dragger....

    That's what you Democratic Sharias said about George Bush. So now that oil prices continue to decline, Trump is "reselling" America? Brilliant. No, really. About as brilliant as "Goldman Sached" (sic) and "flatrantly". Did you drop out of high school, or are you still attending? And doing quite poorly?


    You Democrats haven't been this angry since Republicans took your slaves away. Why don't you go help them abort some more black babies at Planned Parenthood, the creation of racist Margaret Sanger, who Hillary said she "greatly admires."

    The Democratic Sharia Party opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964. It was only passed by the overwhelming support of Republicans. Read some history.... for a change.

    I'll help you by giving you the lecture from Elbert Guillory, who switched from racist Democratic Sharia Party to Republican Party.

     
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    I think your mistaking my criticism as meaning I was a Hillary supporter. I'm not. Maybe some people who are terribly misinformed think Hillary was a great candidate. I'm not one of them.

    We seem to have reached a point in our culture that we can't talk to people with other beliefs or ideas without demonizing them and dismissing everything they have to say. Liberals are guilty of it for sure. But it looks like people like you are doing it too. How do you not see that?
     
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    There was only a small segment of Trump supporters who were called deplorable...the racists and the extremists. If you include yourself in that category that's on you
     
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    So you choose a President on how they through a ball, well that explains a lot.
     
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    Gee, Stumpy, you don't even know how t spell "throw."
    Well, that explains a lot.

    See how it's done! Two sentences, not a run-on sentence, with a five-letter word misspelled.
    You shouldn't have dropped out of high school, Stumpy.

    I would suggest that you bring your "A" game to the table next time you have a brilliant remark to make, but you will never have an "A" game.

    Everyone knows you choose a president by how he hangs curtains.... Stumpy.....

    Now run along.
     
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    So are you saying real men don't hang curtains.
     
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    A lion does not turn around for a little dog barking. - Nigerian proverb

    The hyena does not smell its own stench. - Nigerian proverb
     
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    So you fantasize about dominating them, good to know. I hope you find something satisfying on pornhub buddy.
     
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    Funny, but only one of the people you mentioned was a Presidential candidate.

    You can complain about my typing, but you cannot deny the facts. Trump has brought Wall Street right into the Federal Government and given it a ringside seat. All the while, folks like you were yelling for the transcripts of Clinton's Goldman Sachs speech. But you sit silent when Trump hires Goldman Sachs! Ah, the hypocricy!

    EPA Adminstrator Scott Pruitt is totally for sale, and always has been, (of course, Trump is comfortable with that, having been for sale himself all of his life)

    I don't care about the rantings of an obscure crackpot either.
     
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    Are you endorsing the blatant bigotry and misogyny of the OP?
     
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    Ok now answer the question.
     
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    Tom, give your hateful, dishonest Talking Points a rest.
    The bigotry and misogyny are all yours.
    Leftists celebrate and promote homosexuality, which condemns tens of thousands of children to molestation every year, at the vile claws of homosexual pedophiles. Leftists celebrate and promote abortion, which murders and butchers thousands of innocent, black babies every year, in Planned Parenthood clinics, founded by racist Margaret Sanger, to destroy blacks in America.

    Listen to Elbert Guillory, black politician, on the racism of Democrats.

     
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    Ignorance and arrogance - a very dangerous combination so universally displayed by the Democratic Sharia Party.

    For future reference, Tommy, the word is "hypocrisy." Thinking rationally is MUCH HARDER than spelling, and
    obviously you can't even spell. Learn how to spell and then maybe you can move up if only a little.
     
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    Leftists celebrate and promote homosexuality, which condemns tens of thousands of children to molestation every year

    What planet do you live on? In what century?
     
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    Trump desperately wanted Macron to lose. Macron won. Trump had egg on his face. Macron got the last laugh.
     
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    I can't argue with has take on the Democratic party, but where he shows he is a fool he actually believes the Republican party cares about him or blacks folks.

    When I hear folks like him pat the Republican party on the back, he can't tell us anything they have done in the last 40yrs.

    Republicans of today have the same mindset today that the Democrats of the 40s and 50s had.
     
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    Thank you for making my point!
     

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