The logic of the above completely escapes me and I can only surmise that you did not read back far enough in the thread but instead leapt to an erroneous conclusion We were not talking of lethal weapons but violence rates within society and I stated I would prefer a society with an apparent higher "violence" rate than one with a higher lethality rate And don't worry mate about me not voting over there - that is not why I am on these boards posting. It is not to influence YOUR gun lobbyists but OURS
Errr- did you read the WHOLE quote? Including the bit about the number of shooting deaths being "modest" by USA standards? So the one city that has gangs with violence level higher than that found in the USA still has a lethality due to gunshot lower than the USA. Hmmmmmm And this little spiel: Is clearly referring to countries such as Mexico. Gangs in the U.S. don't possess "significant arsenals." They almost exclusively use handguns because over 72% of all firearm murders are committed with them. http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc...s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8 You also left out these little gems of information: http://www.smallarmssurvey.org/file...0/en/Small-Arms-Survey-2010-Chapter-05-EN.pdf[/QUOTE] Does it say ANYWHERE that it is referring to cities like Mexico? Keep in mind that those cities have a known policing problem (notoriously corrupt) that makes crime control let alone prevention problematic And you have yet to prove that a significant proportion of gun deaths are gang related - you have beaten around the bush but you have no statistics http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/2011-national-gang-threat-assessment See, it is not just gang members targeting gang members According to this gangs are responsible for less than a quarter of all homicides so - back to the original question - is the level of gun homicides in the USA acceptable - yes or no
LOLWUT? First of all, I never said that quote was specifically referring to Mexico. I said it was referring to countries LIKE Mexico. I don't care what that FBI report says about "high powered military style weapons" bull(*)(*)(*)(*). That was obviously a politically engineered paragraph because high powered military style weapons is one of the most ambiguous statements EVER. It's also clear that gangs are NOT using these because in 2011, only 323 murders were committed with a rifle (which is what I'm assuming they are referring to), or less than 3%. Give me a brake. http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc...s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8 Back to the original point: http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-01-31/news/31008363_1_gang-related-murders-oklahoma-city And I'm not going to answer your loaded question. You still haven't answered my legitimate question though. How are people killing each other in weapon free zones (prisons)? This must be a really tough question for you! (I'll give you a hint, it's not with guns!)
Tell me, how would a 80% lower backfire? How does a gun backfire? Fire off too easily? How might that happen?
Or they can build one of the simplist guns ever made, one that could be made by any competent machinist with the normal tools of their trade, fires a 45 ACP, no safety excpt for closing the cover and that is not really dependable, but easy to build.
How about you articulate your argument and answer the question instead of dodging questions what will make you look totally ignorant of the subject?
As safe as many with the proper tools, materials and experience. My buddy has over 10K rounds through a homebuilt AR15 and is getting ready to start on 1911 frames.
That would require knowledge of the subject matter. As soon as you realize that machining work can be done by anyone with a computer, a mill, and auto CAD, you begin to realize their fears. They don't want anyone running around with un registered weapons (as if making them registered will make them safer) that can be made for pennies of what they are now being made for.
Bah! Apparently it was an April Fool's joke. Sick joke. But well played and good advertising by Defense Distributed.
