We'll, it's official, the Trump team lied about their contacts with Russia

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/24/politics/kushner-russia-statement-trump-denials/index.html

And here is the worst part; they lied about it for over a year so convincingly. All of them.

This latest round of talks with Jared kushner pushed the affirmation of the lying about contacts with the Russians over the finish line.

Everything they lied about as not having contacts and meetings with the Russians all turned out to be false.

And with the lies, collusion was exposed.Of course, Kushner said he didn't collude. Lol! Like we're going to believe anything he has to say.

So much for witch hunts and fake news. It's not a witch hunt and nothing about it has been fake.

I can only imagine what is next?

If the rule of law is still in play in this country where it applies to everyone, arrests, and or fines should be something we will see?

Personally, considering everything that has happened in the last year and a half with an illegal election, combined with a Constitutional crisis, supported by mountains of lies by this administration, destroying the very core of our Republic, I have serious reservations about moving forward. We can only hope that the laws we currently have will be applied in the right way?

 

And they are pushing the get rid of Mueller mantra on all the right wing media outlets.

 

Came into thread expecting little more than partisan shilling.

Line 1: CNN Link
Line 2: Grand sweeping "they" and "them"
Line 3: Russia!
Line 4: "They" and Russia!
Line 5: "Lies", "Exposed", "Collusion" & statements of assumption

Gonna go ahead and stop here. You guys keep following the same pattern. Change it up.

 

Yep! They know it's the only way to nip this investigation in the bud for a while. They know Trump's guilt is overwhelming, and they are using every card they have in order to obstruct the legal process.

 

The link was from today. Exactly what sort of change do you expect? The kind you can actually challenge?

 

I'm saying spice up the rhetoric a bit. You guys come in here, every day, and post 10 links to 10 different stories that all say the same thing.

None of you are trying to combat the points of view that the left is a sociopathic, violent hate group.
None of you are trying to engage in any meaningful debate.
Day in, day out, every single day for the last 8 months it's been the same things.

Do you folks not get it? Do you not realize why the 2016 election went to ******ned Donald Trump? Have you -never- stopped to ask yourselves this one very basic question: "Holy **** if the United States of America elected THIS guy just how ****ed up is OUR message?!"

None of you seem to understand. You're not fighting some war, you're reacting the way you're being told to react. Your media masters tug a string, and like a good little marionette, you all take to twitter and blogs and forums to post your "outrage" at something you didn't even know existed 3 hours ago.

You people are -losing- the war, not winning it. You're losing the voting base you've had for the last 20 years because even your own ******ned party can't stand the vitriol anymore. Christ I'm an independent and I used to remember having great debates with both liberals AND conservatives. Anymore I look like some rightwing nutjob because it's ****ing impossible to convince ANYONE I'm an Independent/Centrist with how ****ing insane the left wing is.

Calling people racists doesn't work anymore.
Calling people sexists doesn't work anymore.
Countering "Radical Islamic Terrorism" with "ISLAMAPHOBE!!!!!!1" isn't working anymore.

The rhetoric is tired. It's not working, it's alienating literally everyone except for the vocal minority on the internet, which gives you folks a false sense of community, and a false sense of how serious the issue actually is. People haven't adapted to figure out "because I have 5 friends on this site who spout the same thing I do, then this must be a serious issue!" doesn't amount to jack **** in a country with almost 400,000,000 people in it.

Do better. I've seen a Democratic Party that could stand up to the right. This isn't it.

 

Last I checked, it's been all Team Trump Republicans on the hot seat, and day in and day out, we usually get something new. And this essay you typed isn't gong to change that fact.

As for debate, I'm willing to lock horns on the facts presented. This thread being one of them. There's just one problem. Folks like you never show up to debate the facts. This essay of yours being prime example.

It's littered with lame attacks with zero substance. At the end of the day, you've debated nothing, and said absolutely nothing.

And, I have the full confidence that I will be showered with nothing else but the same.

You people can't debate any of this because the revealing facts have you all boxed in. So what's left? We'll let's see. You all have brought up Clinton and Obama many times. Lol! Like that's going to be useful in discrediting the facts about Trump and Russia. We'll, it hasn't.

What else is left? Oh yea, personal attacks are always favorites by the Right to avoid engaging in challenging Trump/Russia. You folks are stuck, and you've got nothing else. And that's your real problem.

So please, save your essay for someone else. I'm more accustomed to reading essays that actually say something.

 

What made the election "illegal"?

 

And people like you come in here everyday denying the truth, and hoping your god will pull some other lie out of his ass just to keep you happy. In the meantime Trump sells you another "Buy American" hat made in China, and you proudly wear it never realizing the hypocrisy of doing so.

 

According to Trump the fact that "3 million illegals" voted in the election would make the election illegal. Of course, he lacks the intelligence to think his comments through so never realized that such was the insinuation of his lie.

 

Would the OP like to talk about Hillary approving the sale of 20% of our uranium to Russia, and then Bill getting a $500,000 speaking engagement, and the Clinton Foundation getting $14,000,000!!!!!!!!!!!! This is what Congress should be investigating.

IMO $14,000,000+ is a HUGE contact!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hillary a corrupt crooked serial liar.

 

Selective outrage. (But it is good to see they're still quoting CNN... keep em in a tizzy til after the midterms)

 

Do you seriously believe that 20% of our uranium was carted up and shipped to Russia?

Why do you keep lying about that when multiple people have shown you links demonstrating that you are wrong?

 

Lying on an SF-86 form about foreign contacts is a felony.

LOCK THEM UP! LOCK THEM UP!

 

Silly boy, it's ok when the Dems do it.

 

Would you care to tell the truth about the issue? This is one of the biggest, and most often repeated, lies told by the right wing.

1. The Uranium was owned by a Canadian company who had subsidiaries in the US

2. Clintons received nothing. Another lie

3. Clinton was one of 9 government agencies that had to approve the sale.

https://www.vox.com/world/2017/2/17/14649980/trump-clinton-russia-uranium

And while Clinton Foundation did receive 100 million from the Saudi's the 14 million was an advance on a book deal. Try not to believe every lie Breitbart tells you.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/apr/5/hillary-clintons-book-advance-hovers-14m/

 

I find it interesting that you mention the "rule of law," when there are no laws that prevent talks with foreign nationals. I seriously doubt you care about the "rule of law" when it comes to Hillary's mishandling of classified documents, or the illegal leaks of classified information and unmasking of American citizens! When you talk about lies, I also seriously doubt you care about Obama/Democrat lies about Obamacare or Benghazi! Anyone who does not have the same standard for both political parties is not only intellectually dishonest, but in my humble opinion, is a partisan political hack!

 

Exactly. I've taken a number of those tests to determine political leanings, and I wind up almost dead center in every one of them, with only a very slight tendency towards the right.

I was raised in a family of democrats FFS, and compared to today's leftists, I'm off the charts to the right.

 

Check out the one where they're talking about arresting those Pakistani guys that were working with high level access in the DNC.

Their responses are pretty much "so what".

It's fricking amazing how clueless some of them are.

 

How much is the Clinton Foundation making now?

 

And they wonder why no one takes them seriously.

 

So pathetic.

 

There is a rule of law, in fact federal law, that states failure to disclose foreign contacts on form SF-86 for a security clearance is illegal.

The Trump administration has committed multiple felonies.

 

First they tell us there was no contacts with Russia during the campaign, then they tell use there was no contacts with Russia about the campaign, and finally they tell us that there is nothing wrong with their contacts with Russia about the campaign.

If there's nothing wrong with it, why did you feel the need to lie about is so consistently?
Also, if you believe there is nothing wrong with it.. wouldn't that suggest you are fully willing to have made many more arrangements with Russia just like the ones we know about?

I'm still going to maintain a neutral position on whether there was collusion until there is concrete evidence to show that it happened, but there's clearly on honesty issue with this administration.