Were people “stupid” back then?

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  1. blackTru

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    Okay this whole argument started with me and my friend talking about the importance of school education....wich opened a whole new argument and lead you to thinking.

    So i tell him (because he takes education very serious) I just want to know how in the hell the world made it to the 20th century without public education?

    And he answers: Prior to the 20th century, treating people (including within our own families) like animals or worse was commonplace.

    Was that respond a reach, or was it really like that? Would really like to know more about us evolving as humans, what are your thoughts?
     
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    To some extent that's true, but a lot of it had to do with poverty... or rather the effect that prevalent poverty had on the culture. I'm not sure if that's something easy for you to understand. The rise of the modern-day thriving middle class didn't really come about until the 20s, then was put on hold during the Depression and eventually came back in the 50s.
     
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    Public education is a complete failure. And there's no authority in the Constitution for the federal government to be dealing with education.
     
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    Only in your country. In others (including mine), public schools consistently produce the highest academic results.
     
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    Education has little to do with intelligence. Stupid people can get through college.

    They were as intelligent thousands of years ago as we are now.
     
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    Well, I don't know what country you live in, but you're likely right. We're near the bottom of the list in most categories when it comes to education in comparison with other nations.

    A hot discussion on education over here on this side of the pond usually entails whether boys and men can shower with the girls.

    Hoew's that for evolution?
     
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    Good education is affected more by culture than by the education system. For instant Asians and Jews do better, not because of the system but because of cultural pressure.
     
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    There is nothing wrong with your public education. There is something very wrong with your parental attitudes to education.
     
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    Exactly what I was attempting to say, above.
     
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    The UK doesn't have a constitution and the UK seems to out perform the US...maybe you should get rid of your constitution...;)
     
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    crank made a good point. Parental attitudes to education is a big problem. I can't deny that.
     
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    I think your mate is not wrong,but maybe missing a couple of vital elements for example the way the world was turned on its axis by the advent of mechanisation and the end of WWI both of which created massive changes to social structures and how the aspirations of peoples changed. For example women coming into the work place in a meanful way during WW1. Prior to that communities generally specialised in a certain craft or industrial process (coalmining, weaving, pottery) whereas after WW1 whole communities were decimated and displaced and aspirations changed. Education in a structured way was demanded by and for the workforce in order to operate and maintain factories and equipment etc. Emerging industries like electrical or chemical were becoming more industrial and complex demanding better educated workers.
     
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    We are not near the bottom. We are about average. Not that that is anything to brag about, but let's keep things accurate.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/pisa-worldwide-ranking-of-math-science-reading-skills-2016-12
     
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    I think your universities are pretty well up on top... after Oxford and maybe Cambridge...;)
     
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    the Constitution empowers the government to promote the common welfare and to take any steps that are "necessary and proper" to do so

    by contrast, the Constitution makes no provision for engaging in foreign wars but right wingers love to do so because it creates huge profits for the rich
     
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    Of course the Constitution has provision for foreign wars.

    Article I, Section 8:
    The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
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    To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
     
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    Total incorrect reading of the Constitution, but a reading the "progressives" love. By that reading, the federal govt can do anything it wants, it has unlimited power, and that is clearly contrary to the Constitution and all of the writings by the writers and signers of the Constitution. Take US govt 101.
     
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    People were not "stupid" before the 20th century. People confuse technological level with intelligence. Technology is a continuous process of incremental advancement, modern technology is the result of a 6000 year process.

    The real difference is free time, not intelligence. When people had to spend all their time on growing and collecting food just to survive, and on protecting themselves from the elements, then there is little time for anything else such as art or science or schools. Innovation and advancement is slow.

    As people learned about agriculture and husbandry, they had a little more free time. It was not until the industrial revolution that people had real free time to the point where some people did not have to worry at all about collecting food or protection from the elements, those people could spend all their time on art and science and inventions.

    The more free time people have, the more resources they can spend on advancing technology. As technology advances it gives people more free time. The process feeds on itself.
     
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