Were the laws of thermodynamics broken on 9/11 in addition to the laws of physics?

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  1. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    Seems to me that he always maintained a "boom" sound took place in reference to a bomb or explosion.
    Ah so you think they build 110 floor skcy scrapers overf a big assed 60foot deep cavity huh :psychoitc:
    OH?
    you cant be serious can you?
    So you cant think of one single thing that explodes that causes skin to peel huh? :cool:
     
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    You mean like a thermitic product? No I can't think of any lol.
     
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    His initial description was "rumbling". Like someone "moving heavy furniture". I see no reference to "bombs" or "explosions" in the article I linked do you? He doesn't mention being say anything about "an explosion that threw him upwards, clean off the floor..." does he.

    He embellished his story as time went on because he was in the spotlight for a time.

    Read and learn.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/22/nyregion/22rocks.html

    https://www.geo.sunysb.edu/lig/Conferences/abstracts-08/moss.pdf

    I'll bite. What to YOU think caused his severe burns and skin to be hanging off his body. This outta be good.
     
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  4. Gamolon

    Gamolon Well-Known Member

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    Which was it then Bobby?

    Thermite that "melted" through the steel members it was supposedly placed on or thermite shape charges that exploded and "cut" through the steel members they were placed on?
     
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    Good question. If NIST had done the job they were mandated and funded by Congress to do we might have that answer. But obviously they avoided that part of their investigation under a phony pretext. And that’s why there was a petition for a grand jury investigation to try to investigate what NIST failed to investigate.
     
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    I'm asking you which YOU think caused the burn and hanging skin of David Felipe since you think it was some form of thermite. He was standing in front of the elevator when the fireball blew out and burned him.

    So explain how either thermite, burning/melting through steel members OR thermite shape charges caused a fireball to erupt from the elevator shaft. Also explain how he supposedly survived the 4,000F temperature created by thermite as it burns.

    You gave "thermitic product" as an example of what could have caused those burns.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    I think Willy Rodriguez described the skin of the man as dripping, not peeling. And I'm pretty sure there were other witness statements, swept under the official rug, also describing dripping skin and bodies engulfed in flames.
     
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    It doesn’t matter what I think was the cause. What really matters is what actually was the cause and that NIST never bothered to investigate it. If you had any genuine interest that should be YOUR concern as well, not what posters might theorize about what happened. I only suggested a “thermitic product” as one possibility because you implied no explosive could cause such skin damage and not only could a thermitic product do that but it is one suspected 9/11 incendiary.
     
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    Explain Bobby.

    How could the "thermitic product" you suggest burn a man standing outside the elevator, create a fireball, and not kill him in it's 4,000F temperatures?
     
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    You thought wrong as usual.

    http://livingmemorial.voicesofseptember11.org/911-stories/williams-story-submitted-william-rodriguez
     
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    So this isnt about what he said for you its about what you believe he 'initially' said. got it!
    Embellished? Or thought it through very carefully and clarified the event.
    Learn what? After the fact spin? Gam they dont build sky scrapers over sink holes.
    Ah so your idea of 'bite' is to welch out of answering the question I asked you by asking me to answer my own question, nice dodge.
     
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    The testimony of Willie Rodriguez is one of many pieces of eyewitness evidence that has been filed with the grand jury petition. From my understanding during his testimony to the 9/11 Commission, Rodriguez submitted a list of names of several other eyewitnesses who were with him at the time of the explosion that occurred prior to the first airplane impact who could corroborate his claims. According to Rodriguez the 9/11 Commission of course never bothered to interview anyone on his list, not to mention that there is not one word of Rodriguez's testimony in the 9/11 Commission Report. It's up to the grand jury to interview those on his list if they determine that they want his testimony corroborated. So it doesn't matter what you or anyone else makes out of Rodriguez's testimony, what matters is what the grand jury wants to make out of it. Logically, if Rodriguez's story is corroborated by others, any grand jury should determine that there's more than enough evidence to conclude that a massive explosion may have occurred prior to the first plane impact in the sub-basement and that this in turn is strong additional circumstantial evidence that the WTC tower was indeed destroyed via controlled demolition. While eyewitness testimony by itself is not necessarily fact, if it's corroborated by additional evidence, it certainly does come as close to fact as possible. In this case it should cause the grand jury to tilt their collective opinion in favor of concluding that a crime (other than OCT claims) was committed.
     
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    William didn't witness any "explosion" Bobby. He described what he felt as "rumbling" like someone moving furniture. That was his description right after the event. He later embellished his story.as time went on.
     
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    No, embellished.

    How could he have missed the fact that he was lifted up off the floor when the MASSIVE EXPLOSION happened and cracked the walls and ceilings?

    I'll stick with his first description thanks.
     
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    You didn't read the documentation did you. Are you saying the deformity didn't exist when they built the original towers? That it was created on 9/11/2001?
     
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    Once again it doesn’t matter whether you think he’s an eyewitness or not or what you believe his documented testimony implies or anything else about Rodriguez. What matters is by law his testimony is considered eyewitness EVIDENCE and it is part of the many exhibits filed with the grand jury petition. Nothing you post here changes that.
     
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    It has nothing to do with "thinking" Bobby, it is FACT. William did not witness the explosion. He felt "rumbling" which is a far cry from "a massive explosion which lifted him off the floor and cracked the walls/ceiling", which is what he described later.
     
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    You mean the documented testimony of people smelling "kerosene" through the towers? Even at the lower levels?
     
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    No I mean the documented eyewitness testimony of William Rodriguez. Is this confusing for you? If other eyewitness testimony is relevant to the grand jury investigation, it’s up to them to review it. It still changes nothing about the Rodriguez testimony.
     
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    but which version of the Rodriguez testimony will be reviewed? ...
     
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    How is he supposed to know that?

    Out of all the Rodriguez videos I have watched, about 5, the narrative is exactly the same, it has not changed.

    Your desperation becomes apparent when you ask really foolish questions.
     
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    The one filed with the petition. The grand jury has the option to interview him in person.
     
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    Well actually I do know that they can only review the evidence submitted with the petition to begin with because that’s all they have. And again they always have the option to request other relevant evidence.
     
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    That's funny. You must have missed this one.


    You know. The one where he says NOTHING about a massive explosion, being lifted upward off the floor, ceilings falling, are walls cracking. Only two rumbles like someone moving furniture.

    Yeah, his narrative is exactly the same...

    :rolleyes:
     
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    You mean the interview with CNN that he did the day of 9/11? Where he mentions nothing of explosions, being lifted off the floor, falling ceilings, cracking floors? He mentions two rumbles like someone moving furniture.
     
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