Western Civilization will become extinct

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  1. Anders Hoveland

    Anders Hoveland Banned

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    [video=youtube;6LA5xhXk_4U]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LA5xhXk_4U[/video]

    http://www.humanevents.com/2006/06/02/europe-freezes-in-demographic-winter/


    The populations in the Western countries is being replaced by migrants from the third world.
    Make no mistake, there will be plenty of people, likely too many people in fact. But these new people are not going to carry on Western civilization.

    I hope I will not be racist if I include a quote from Mein Kampf here...
    "The ultimate cause of such [cultural] decline was their forgetting that all culture depends on men and not conversely; hence that to preserve a certain culture the man who creates it must be preserved."
     
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    We created western civilisation and you screwed it , let it die in peace.
     
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    I suspect that many on the left would like to see western civilization die.
     
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    What we taught the west is to be open, cosmopolitan , innovative , inquiring and creative ; conservatives are the exact opposite of all those thus not part of western civilisation .
    If you dig a bit deeper cultures and practices have a point where they become obsolete and you just have to move forward, resisting progress will just kick you out of the ship and into obscurity .

    In case you don't know IndoEuropeans moved from the east to the west , 4000 years ago we were all immigrants.
     
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    No this is not true. Far too complex to delve into here.

    Sure, we all originated from Africa and primates if we go back 60,000 years. I really do not know what your point is.

    Sometimes forward is backwards. Sometimes you don't know what you have until you lose it. I just want to know what the cost of "progress" is. Particularly if it won't be reversible.

    True, nothing lasts forever, but if we only view it that way, why fight for anything? I wonder how 'progressives' would feel if we just let all those endangered species die off...
     
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    He's a commi of course he wants it to die, they've never stopped trying.

    Seems OOA was more like 100,000 years plus.
     
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    Our kind originates from India , we came in Europe recently and we completely changed the face of the continent .
    Farming came from the middle east together with trade, money and scripts , they were established because progressives of the time applied them , bee-keeping , religions , arts and sciences all were imports to Europe brought by immigrants & refugees .
    What i am trying to say is that the west moved forward by accumulating cultural, spiritual and technological entries from all over the known world, process and then improve them . You can see the effects of traditional isolated societies in the Amazonas & Borneo ....


    The cost of progress is to lose your conformism and yes sometimes atavism occurs to those scared but as you said there is no going back.
    Old ideas die out with those who carry them, today's progressives will probably be the conservatives of the future and their numbers will decline for the new generation to take over.
    I understand that you want to keep your world the familiar secure place you have grown into but this is just not possible , there are new needs, new forms of relations, new social structures , new innovations and we have to be open to them even if we do not entirely agree .
    Nobody knows what the next day will be , yes i think that communism will be possible but i am ready to subscribe to anything better when and if it appears during my lifetime .

    Some endangered species like say the Panda are genetic failures and should be left to extinct , others are not and they only got endangered because of our incompetence to manage the planet .
     
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    Good vid that, i watched the full version some time ago. But it only highlights part of the problem..... they skimmed over the main one. Welfare!

    Ask yourself, why do we need ever growing populations? To pay for the promises made to the older people when they worked - they mention this but focus mainly on 'need more people'. I say we dont, any model that can only survive by getting bigger and bigger is a failed one. He's a radical idea, how about no more free give aways and people get what they can afford by their own hand!

    They are right of course that empires rise and fall, thats normal. Lets look at China, they've been up, then rock bottom and now becoming a power again. One thing they didnt do however, they didnt replace themselves. They didnt say oh (*)(*)(*)(*) who pays for my retirement - better give away our country to whoever breeds the fastest. So now when they come back - guess what, they're still Chinese in China with their own rich history and culture- amazing.

    Making promises to buy votes, off health/ welfare we cant afford, paid with tomorrows money is the problem. There will be rises and dips, thats natural. But to give away your homelands because of a few selfish generations of people is moronic. But hey as i said, the self loathing commis with their ideals of world socialism / serfdom love the idea.
     
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    The only thing that the West brought in from the rest of the world of any value was several species of plants and animals. (and perhaps Christianity, though we know how little progressives value that) The rest is really quite trivial, even though progressive academics like to exaggerate their importance.
     
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    All civilizations become extinct eventually, they either evolve or devolve into something else.
     
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    The west took everything from the Greeks through the Romans : our script , our philosophy , our arts , our sciences , our democracy , our medicine , scripture written in our language , scripture translated in our language ( this is how the west start reading Jewish books) and so on.
    The Greeks took almost everything from Egypt, Phoenecia , the Hittites and Mesopotamia in short Asia & Africa, chances are that without us or the Romans Europe would be the second most backwards & underdeveloped continent of the world , probably colonised by Asians.

    Do not kid yourself, if not for the Mongols islamic world, India and China would already have the stars colonised.
     
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    Reminds me of this :


    " When Mahatma Gandhi was asked what he thought of Western civilization, he replied : "I think it would be a good idea"

    Ehem.
     
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    And much of it would very likely have been lost forever , if not for its preservation + channelling by , I understand - North Africans :

    "The History And the Age of The Moors in Spain: How The Moors Helped to Civilize Europe "

    Often overlooked parts of history from an African perspective.

    " Africa's Civilizing of Spain"Students flocked from France and Germany and England to be enlightened from the fountain of learning which only flowed in the cities built by the Moors; surgeons and doctors were practicing serious medicine; women were encouraged to become educated, and a woman doctor was a common feature of the live of the people of Cordova. Mathematics, astronomy and botany , history, philosophy and jurisprudence could only be 'studied' only' in Spain .Land was worked on practically and scientific methods of irrigation, the arts of fortification and shipbuilding, the highest and most elaborate products of the loom, the graver and the hammer, the potter's wheel and the mason's trowel, were brought into perfection by the African Moors in Spain

    The Museum at Alexandria, so long neglected, became the center of research and learning. Mathematics,medicine, and the physical sciences received fresh attention. The clumsy Roman numerals were soon ousted by the figures which we use to this day, and the zero sign first came into general usage. Arabic words like "algebra" and "chemistry" became universal words.... The term "Arabic" we intend in a cultural rather than a racial sense.... It was through Africa that the new knowledge of China, India, and Arabia reached Europe, and it was Africa which supplied men who protected Moslem Europe or Spain from attack, and thus made it possible for the new learning to take root and develop."

    It must be recalled that the Iberian peninsula was made great by the labors of the Moors. They established the silk industry; they were highly skilled agriculturists; introducing cotton, rice, sugar cane, dates, lemons, and strawberries into the contry. Abu Zaceria and Ibn Alaman wrote authoritative remarks on Moorish animal husbandry and agriculture. Ibn Khaldun, a Moorish agriculturist, wrote a treatise on farming and worked out a theory of prices and the nature of capital. (He was called the Karl Marx of the Middle Ages.) Caliph er Rahan of Cordova ordered the construction of an aqueduct, which conveyed pure water from the mountains to the city.
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    In the tenth and eleventh centuries, public libraries in Europe were nonexistent, while Moorish Spain could boast of more than seventy, of which the one in Cordova housed six hundred thousand manuscripts. Christian Europe contained only two universities, while in the Moorish Spain there were seventeen great universities. The finest of these were located in Almeria, Cordova, Granada, Juen, Malaga, Seville and Toledo. Scientific progress in astronomy, chemistry, physics, mathematics, geography and philosophy flourished in Moorish Spain Scholars, scientists and artists formed learned societies, and scientific congresses were organized to promote research and to facilitate the spread of knowledge. A brisk intellectual life flourished in all Islamic dominions, since both caliphs of East and West were as a rule, enlightened patrons of learning. A vivid reconstruction of the splendors of Moorish Spain, as seen by Abd-er-Rhaman III,Caliph of Cordova and his companions, ans been preserved for us by a recognized authority on the history of the period, Josseph McCabe as follows:

    "The Germans would find Andalusia in those days a real garden of song and flowers and gaiety. It had tens of thousands of prosperous villages, and the Germans would for the first time in their lives see peaches, pomegranates, strawberries, apricots, lemons, almonds, dates, oranges and sugar-cane growing; while at the hostels they would find coffee, spinach, asparagus, the daintiest cooking, and all the spices of the East. Not an acre of ground was left untilled, and tunnels cut through mountains, aqueducts, dams and reservoirs provided ample irrigation where it was needed. The land bore a larger population than it does today - probably larger than that of Germany, France, England and Italy put together at that time - and an immeasurably happier and more prosperous population."


    -- much more here , details which I confess , I did not know about :

    http://ixwa.hubpages.com/hub/The-Hi...-The-Moors-In-Spain-Helped-To-Civilize-Europe
     
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    Fascinating bit more abt the Dark Ages :

    "When the fifth century ended, Europe had begun the long night of the Dark Ages, which lasted five hundred years(500-1000 A.D.).

    Although the fall of the Roman Empire was attributed to the Barbarians, Professor James Thompson intones: "The Dark Ages were at least as much due to corruption of the church as to the decay of Roman civilization or the Barbarian invasions. A teutonic group called the Vandals, who were dwelling by the Baltic Sea and moved southward by way of the Upper Danube into Gaul and then into Northern Spain. By 411 A.D., they had attained an official status as subjects of the Roman Empire and were ceded grants of land from that body. Then the Visigoths invaded and caused the Vandals to retreat to southern Spain. Through luck they were invited to come and to settle in Africa Romana by Count Boniface, a Roman Legate in North Africa. Dr. J.C. deGraft-Johnson tells us some of the reasons why this was the case:

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    The Christian Church paid a leading role in perpetuating the Dark ages . keeping the masses in ignorance.

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    Bit more about the dark ages, were they dark?

    [video=youtube;j5Lk3DgT5v0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5Lk3DgT5v0&list=FL-9ZWa3xwj5awjeFzXnJDSQ&index=7[/video]
     
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    Let's also not forget that much of the reason for the "Dark Ages" in southern Europe had to do with the frequent muslim attacks and piracy.
    The "enlightenment" of Islam came at the direct cost of Europe.

    [video=youtube;t_Qpy0mXg8Y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Qpy0mXg8Y[/video]
     
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    [video=youtube;IdfpbwnjgaE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdfpbwnjgaE[/video]


    "Control, or the claim of control, over the means of reproduction has been more fundamental to history than control of the means of production"
    — R. McElbaine, "Eve’s Seed: Biology, the Sexes & Course of History"


    "We must understand that the most potent weapons of war are the penis and the womb. Therefore, if you cannot convince a group to control its population by discussion, debate, intelligent analysis etc., you must consider their action in using the penis & the womb to increase population, an Act of War."
    — Judge Jason G. Brent, "Humans: An Endangered Species"


    "In our every deliberation, we must consider the impact of our decisions on the next seven generations."
    — from the Great Law of the Iroquois Confederation
     
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    Just using some math and a few assumptions, this might be interesting to you. In the US we have ~50% of our population either working or wanting to work and IMO on average at least 10% unemployment. If we consider China with 1.3 billion population, 50% is 650 million, and 10% of this is 65 million unemployed. Consider India with similar to China and we have another 65 million unemployed. Now consider the remaining 4.2 billion in the world, and their 10% unemployment contribution is ~210 million. So adding 65 million + 65 million + 210 million, considering the world's participating work force, outside of the USA there are approximately 340 million unemployed Earthlings. Now I'm thinking that China and India and Europe and Latin America, etc. won't create enough jobs for their indigenous work force, therefore....and drum roll.......some percentage of the 340 million unemployed worldwide will be wandering from nation to nation looking for work...IMMIGRANTS...by the tens of millions coming from every direction to the locations which they feel gives them the best shot at creating a life. Just as immigrants have migrated to the USA and other locations in the past, this will continue in the future. As long as we have millions more of them than the world/USA has jobs, huge supply and low demand, the wages will remain depressed...just saying...
     
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    This is very interesting. I was talking to someone who grew up in China. He explained his view of Chinese history and said that the Chinese had become so civilized living in peace and prosperity that that they were completely unprepared for the barbarian invasion from the North. The Mongol barbarians raped, killed, and pillaged. The Chinese had never seen this sort of uncivilized behavior and cowered in terror.

    Ironically, in order to ensure and maintain control over the vast territory of China, the Emperor had kept all the provinces weak and subservient. This made the Chinese easy prey to the barbarians. The mongols easily took the capital, and the rest of the provinces lacked the political or military self-sufficiency to put up any resistance. China was a vast territory, and the Emperor's troops were spread thin across the many provinces, so there were only about 100,000 soldiers to guard the capital at any one time.
     
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