What are your thoughts?

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by UntilNextTime, Oct 14, 2023.

  1. UntilNextTime

    UntilNextTime Well-Known Member

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    Alwayssa Well-Known Member

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    There is formal and informal debate. A forum such as this is generally a formal debate. An informal debate is an exchange of ideas with a dose of lazy thought processes and arguments. A formal debate is an exchange of ideas where all debaters are required to respect both affirmative and non-affirmative positions. The Lincoln-Douglas debate style is a type of formal debate.
     
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    UntilNextTime Well-Known Member

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    But what comes of either style, does either have an outcome where the idea is met and a solution obtained? Or is it a case of, "mine's bigger than yours" mentality?
     
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    Alwayssa Well-Known Member

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    Informal debates provide a wide variety of comments. Some here try to do the "gotcha" arguments or use juvenile antics, but some do try to convey their points on said topic. The difficulty is each poster has to sift through all posts and decide which ones to respond to or even read.

    However, in a formal debate, a topic or question is determined and sides are chosen. The exchange of ideas is done through logical arguments.
     
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    So when we have presidential candidate debates, what goes on there? More like an insult-fest rather than resolutions for problems. As you put it, they also do "gotcha" moments and "juvenile antics". Wouldn't you agree?

     
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    Presidential debates are generally informal. However, in the old days, presidential debates used to discuss policy differences mixed with occasional barbs. Not today, especially with the GOP using the blame game, name calling, and very little policy discussion. So with GOP candidates, I would suggest waiting or reading on their campaign websites on what they propose to do. And the more detail, the better.
     
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    I wouldn't say this forum is serious debate.
    More like entertainment.
     
  9. UntilNextTime

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    What is their point then, entertainment and ratings for those who host and air them?
     
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    yep, at least for Presidential debates. When my state had a governor's debate in 2022, there was more decorum among the candidates than in the 2020 Presidential debates.
     
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    Do you think those political debates would learn anything from platforms such as this, or we from them, or is it no contest?
     
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    today, no, but in the past yes.
     
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    James California Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ~ Yes. Grandstanding for entertainment / ratings value. Today it's all "fake politics ". We the people never actually know what our elected officials are going to do until they actually do it. They all work for themselves, their party, power, and money.
     
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    For which, one or the other or both?
     
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    Indeed. The narratives and agendas are skewed in such a way to suck most of the gullible up. Once they're in steering the ship, anticipate an awful ride. As what was promised is thrown out the door and most of the voters have that bewildered look on their faces of, "I didn't sign up for that" or, "I didn't vote for them to get that". Both looks have the appearance of "just screwed the neighbours pooch" about them.
     
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    both
     
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    Good points. College debate classes in the 60s were usually formal debates. What happens online is not a debate, but a discussion.
     
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    Yes. They are worth watching.

    Of course Bribed Joe won't be in any shape to debate next year. I think that Trump and RFK should debate without him if he fails to show.
     
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    ~ Perhaps they can have old China Joe debate via A.I. ... ?
     
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    That'd be too easy. The AI would win too easily.
     
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