What Can Be Done To Stop Destructive Tornados ?

Of course the Wright brothers did. Gliders had been made for ages.

So you're going to bomb every tropical wave?

None of those are besting nature. Also, every one of those has side effects that aren't always good. We can protect ourselves from nature, but changing it is a risky proposition.

 

Violation of forum rules (in addition to being stupid).

Not if being on topic depends upon it. (and imagine the traffic jams.....Pheeeeeww!)

 

"legal problems one would face, too, by trying to bomb or ice a tornado, then inadvertently hurting someone or destroying private property in the process" has already been addressed and refuted, in earlier posts. Try reading the thread, before posting.

 

Question 1: WHO in NOAA is writing this ?

Question 2: Has that person (or anyone in NOAA) TRIED the idea of bombing a tornado (or is this all just speculation on their part ?)

Question 3: I don't see any quantities listed here. Is this a scientific proclamation based on mathematics , or just guessing ? (if so, my guess might be as good as theirs)

Question 4: How can bombing a tornado "likely cause even more damage than the tornado" IF the bombing is done over an open, uninhabited, undeveloped landscape ?
Perhaps NOAA is referring to if the bombing were done over inhabited, developed land. Well No Sh-t, Sherlock. I already ruled that out.

 

FALSE! The Wright Brothers flight was the FIRST successful controlled, powered and sustained heavier-than-air human flight. They invented an AIRPLANE, not a "glider". They also developed their flying machine into the first practical fixed-wing aircraft. Although not the first to build and fly experimental aircraft, the Wright brothers were the first to invent aircraft controls that made fixed-wing powered flight possible.
Their fundamental breakthrough was their invention of three-axis control, which enabled the pilot to steer the aircraft effectively, and to maintain its equilibrium This method became standard and remains standard on fixed-wing aircraft of all kinds.

No need to. Just the hurricanes need to be stopped. Despite that the 2012 Atlantic hurricane season was extremely active, tied with 1887, 1995, 2010, and 2011 for having the third-most named storms on record, still there were only 10 hurricanes, and of those, only 2 were considered major (category 3+) Of all the storms including lesser ones there were still only 19, but these caused 199 deaths, and almost $78 Billion in damages. The cost of attacking the hurricanes to cancel them, would be a drop in the bucket by comparison. (It would be 20 or less flights and firing of some rocket bombs)

ALL of these are besting nature. Airplanes, rockets, and dams best gravity. Automobiles and trains best inertia,
Housing bests rain, snow, wind, etc. Heating bests the cold. Air conditioning bests the heat. Water purification bests pathogenic bacteria. And these "have side effects that aren't always good". Yeah ? HA HA. So what do you do then ? Live out in the open and sleep under the stars ?
Drink contaminated water ? Get around in a covered wagon ? Oops. That would be besting nature too.

We have bested nature in many ways and proved all of it to be WORTH IT. Did you just wake up as an American Indian, in a frozen cave from the year 1200 AD ?

 

Make them illegal, then allow them to only operate in uninhabited remote areas where they can to no damage.

 

China is the current leader in weather control experimentation, spending about $40 million a year on it...
A USAF paper "Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather in 2025" specifically addresses the issue...
weather control as it applies to shaping the battlespace; a commensurate approach to controlling the weather in "civilian" applications could be possible also. In this paraphrased excerpt, I'm placing an emphasis on stabilizing the atmosphere. As tornadoes often develop in unstable air,...anyway...call me crazy..but a populated region could deploy these drone/balloon systems and temporarily divert the jet stream to stabilize the air over a specific area...basically a man-made weather diversion system.

Picture a Global Hawk drone on station at high altitude and 150 miles “upstream” from the AOR. A balloon payload released... diamond nano-skinned balloons of approximately 3mm - 5mm in diameter are distributed through approximately every square meter in a pre-determined column. Upon command, solar cells and elemental mirrors in the balloons began to absorb sunlight, heating the skin of the balloon. The entire column, controlled through the balloon sensor and actor network (SANET), begin to heat and develop into a localized high pressure area. As the high pressure developed, the jet stream was pushed north of the AOR, stabilizing the atmosphere between the forward edge of the battle area (FEBA) and primary target area. More UAVs launched from near the FEBA hours prior were established in their assigned orbits. On command, similar diamond balloons were released, reporting current localized temperature, water vapor content and pressure back to the UAVs. As the UAVs passed their data back to Weather Control, computers developed specific inputs to the atmospheric equation. These inputs were sent back to the balloons. Some balloons utilized electrolysis to remove water molecules in the atmosphere. Others gathered water molecules to build cloud condensation nuclei as they maneuvered towards their desired altitude.

 

This is an intriguing idea, actually. I do imagine that a powerful enough explosion centered in the cyclone might disrupt it and effectively destroy the funnel cloud.

I dunno about the feasibility of firing explosives at a tornado, though

 

More government. Outlaw tornadoes and surely there won't be any more tornado problems.

 

I don't know either, but to try to save lots of lives and many Billions$$ in property destruction, it might be worth a try. Most any new thing that comes around has people say "I dunno about it", initially.

 

What is the science behind "blowing up" a tornado?

Cold, moisture laden downdraft + warm updraft = unstable air, possibility a tornado can form...

Aside from diverting, which is the technique I suggested...another approach could be to heat the cold downdraft...yes I suppose an "explosion" could temporarily heat the air...it would have to be an air burst however...and again, this is a temporary solution...to truly dissipate the cold air, if this is the desired solution. Bombarding the air with microwaves would be better. This can be done with satellites specifically targeting an area where a tornado has formed. Solar energy collected from the satellite can be converted to microwaves..so the energy is almost limitless. A bomb is going to dissipate quickly, sure the air may warm for a bit but bombarding the cold downdraft with microwaves can provide a sustained source of heat as the microwaves will cause the surrounding air molecules to move faster...thus generating heat.

 

Doesn't matter who wrote it, it's NOAAs official view of the issue.

The thing is, the situation you describe is rare. For example, the OK tornado started in an area with a few houses, not uninhabitated. I doubt that there is often a time when a storm that endangers people starts in an area where you can bomb it with high explosives. Tornadoes usually only go a few hundred yards, not the miles that the OK one did.

 

But they had evidence that it could work. They just needed to refine the specifics. Experimenters besides the Wright brothers had been getting close to that goal as well.

 

Actually the Wright Brothers' first aircraft to demonstrate active control about all 3 axes was a glider built in1902. They attached an engine, which was able to turn two fixed pitch propellers, to one of these Wright gliders,.....voila...powered flight.

Powered flight that also incorporated 3 axes control....1903

The glider however, was the first aircraft with these controls...not the powered glider "Wright Flyer" flown in 1903 at Kittyhawk, NC.

Clear?

good...

Carry on.

 

Kitty Hawk not Kittyhawk.

apologies to the fine citizens of North Carolina, made even more embarrasing having visited the area...

 

You doubt wrongly. There is far more open, uninhabited, undeveloped land in the US than the reverse (especially in the Midwest). This is one of the positive aspects of my suggestion.

 

I got it.. a giant Dyson vacuum cleaner orbiting the planet. Those suckers are strong.....

Place it over the storm and suck the funnel up into the atmosphere where it won't do any harm.

 

The OK tornado started in an area that had houses. It couldn't have been bombed.

The Tuscaloosa F4 (2011) similarly started in a sparsely populated (not uninhabited area).

Neither of those storms could have been targets. The thing is most tornadoes that start in uninhabited land, stay in uninhabited land. Yes, you could blow them up, but the problem is there is no need. The ones we need to blowup start in rural suburbs, and go into cities. We can't blow them up without destroying houses.

 

Bizarre mental image of person with hairdryer pointing it at the tornado to "heat the cold air"

As for microwaves - do some more googling

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_transmission

 

Think !$!@#@ vacuum of space!! (Geeeesh)

 

Please show the evidence.

Well, considering that is what was done post Hurricane Andrew in Florida, and most houses in my area built after the Andrew inspired building codes survived Hurricane Ivan. This is what the real world is doing. It's not thinking up silly ideas of missile batteries, etc., but is making codes that will save lives and property (in that order). Shelter works. It doesn't endanger others, like bombs.

Actually, I like them, but unlike you, I recognize that there is a price to them.

First, of course hurricanes are part of the global circulation. They are major movers of heat and water from the tropics to the suptropics and temperate zones. You need to review your geography some. (I've got a master's in Marine Biology, and part of that included studying global circulation, and hurricanes (well tropical cyclones) are an important part of that)

Tropical storms and the remnants of hurricanes can be major rain events that are needed. Often in Florida in the summer around here, the meteorologists mention that a good tropical storm could help with local drought situations.
Below are some news/science articles about hurricanes and drought relief.

http://lubbockonline.com/local-news...d-hurricane-season-could-bring-drought-relief
http://www.wowt.com/home/headlines/Hurricane-Remnants-Relieve-Some-Drought-States-168769096.html
http://www.businessinsider.com/the-latest-drought-map-2012-9
http://pmm.nasa.gov/node/634

 

Evidence has been already shown,. Read the thread.

Unlike you, I recognize that I recognize there is a price to them, but like stuff you buy in the store, you pay a price to get what you consider to be worth it. Get it ?

NO, hurricanes are NOT part of the global circulation of the earth (which you obviously have no clue what that trerm means). I already explained that to you. You have gone beyond my patience. Stop talking your ignorance to me. And I live in Florida too, and what you said about hurricanes helping us is idiocy. NOBODY says what you say they say. Hurricanes appear in the summer (our already very wet season), when they cause flooding. The time we could use a hurricane is in the winter (our dry season), when we don't get them.
Don't even think about trying to talk climatology to me. You've already established yourself as being a know-nothing in that dept.

 

Man can not stop a tornado or a hurricane. We can not stop a thunderstorm or even make it rain when and where we want it to.
if a person thinks man can control the weather he is living in a fantasy. I just wonde how many States (or small countries) could have fit in a storm the size of Katrina.

I guess with the automobile and the jet aircraft we have today, people consider the world as very small. 60 mph is a mile a minute but try walking a mile...or better yet... try mowing a square mile on your little riding lawnmower and find out first hand how big this world really is.

 

I thought I would just add this picture



Now which bit were you going to bomb?

To the member suggesting microwaves - where were you going to point them?