What culture in movies tells us

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  1. gorfias

    gorfias Well-Known Member

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    Politics is supposed to be downstream of culture. Movies are a big, visible part of our culture.

    What does it say about current day when the star of the upcoming Snow White and Gal Gadot are positively beaming about how it isn't going to be a love story. She won't be saved by the prince who is, by the way, a weird, weird stalker.

    Tonight my daughter wanted to watch a comedy she just heard about and I'd not. "Stuck In Love". As I saw how young some cast where I realized the thing was old. It came out in 2012. It is amazing what culture this appeared to represent compared to the current day.

    Everybody gets divorced. It's no big deal. And 50ish mom with kids can then hook up with devoted muscle bound younger guys who make good money.
    Average high school boys are getting lots and lots of sex if they bother to look for it. The kids having lots of sex is also something parents care about not at all and even encourage it.
    Side note: and there appears to be lots of good paying work to do for writers!

    Only seen first 1/2 so far. But, thing hit me like a time capsule. Today, thanks in large part to social media supposedly there is a loneliness crisis.



    What have you seen that tells you something about the culture of the time the movie was made?
     
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    Boy that Snow White production looks rough.

    They ditched this:

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    And replaced it with this:

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    And they're going to spend another 100 million to do it.
     
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    So you've never heard of any movie with computer generated graphics having post-production? Weird. Wait . . . do you think the people in the second picture ACTUALLY look like that? Your comment says you do.
     
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    Heh, no my comments don't say that. Your comments say you've not read anything about this production.
     
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    I'm saying the same thing I said when the RW reactionaries first panicked about this film: you haven't seen the post-production, so you are making a mountain out of a molehill. Which your own post reinforces.
     
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    So you disagree that it could add $100 million more to the production?
     
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    Do I disagree that films that rely heavily on CG sometimes spend that much on CG? No. Why would I? What is your basis for the assumption that NO CG would be added (and, yes, that is EXACTLY what your complaining requires).
     
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    I think you are saying the plan was always picture number two, CGI'd dwarves. Is that the case? The original plan was CGI dwarves and spending $400.00 million for this movie?
     
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    No, I'm just saying that it is dumber than a sack of hammers to say that the first image, with no CG, was always the plan. That is complete nonsense. Wait . . . did you seriously think there would be no CG . . . in a live action Disney movie . . . involving dwarves. Awwwwww! That's cute!
     
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    If you are saying CGI dwarves were always the plan...no I don't think they were. I'm not sure why it upsets you though. Why do you think that?
     
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    FYI-- there are all kinds of movies, at any given time; not all, depicting one type of "culture."
     
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    Wealthy ($25 million) actor and dwarf Peter Dinklage said he thought it would be wrong to use dwarfs in this movie and other dwarf actors were like, "thanks Pete, glad you're rich, we aren't and you just cost us work". Then you have a SAG strike: actors rightfully terrified of being replaced by CGI. It's already happening, particularly for background extras. Then those making Snow White realized having the 7 they thems instead of dwarfs would hurt the movie so they R&R'd the actors with... CGI dwarfs.

    Thanks for that. Explains a lot. The Snow White Live story says a lot about more than one culture. That and that a conservative film company has weighed in with their own movie (Fairy Tales, mythology: they're public domain properties.). Disney's has been pushed out another year from 2024 to 2025.

     
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    Dinklage rather arrogantly screwed job prospects for dwarf actors for years. Which is why when they originally filmed this, only one "dwarf" was an actual dwarf; the rest were regular sized. And now they are retooling even that.
     
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    So, you are saying, it appears, that you are a traditionalist. You prefer things, the way you remember them. But that does not fit our culture because, unlike the fairy tales which you prefer, our culture does change. That, in and of itself, does not make it a bad thing. The only example I have seen you give of the supposedly negative cultural changes manifested in films, has been of a film not yet released, in which dwarves were originally played by mostly people of normal height, but who were then replaced by CGI dwarves. Surely, you have more widely known examples of this, to have inspired your thread?
     
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    While films certainly do reflect society, I think much more proliferate and up to the minute indications, come from commercials. And, to my mind, the ubiquitous advertising for pharmaceuticals is the most notable phenomenon. It should be recognized, as well, that this far more than just reflects society: as ads are so intended-- these affect society.
     

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