What evidence exists that Blacks and Whites have equal intelligence?

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  1. SFJEFF

    SFJEFF New Member

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    It is not my responsibility to make you understand what I wrote

    "provide evidence that Blacks and Whites have equal intelligence and cognitive abilities."

    The bigger question I would have is why is this important to you?

    All species constantly evolve. There is no reason to assume that any population is smarter or stupider than another population, but we can assume that there will be wide discrepancies between individuals.

    From a scientific point of view, I would say that there is no evidence that there are any significant differences of intelligent between Human ethnic groups, but it is certainly possible.

    From a human point of view, it seems to me that the main reason that question is raised is in order to create divisions and strife.
     
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    quick question, you think he votes democratic or republican?
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    no, more like with black ghetto trash.
     
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    IF they vote at all it is not for any moderate conservative or liberal.
     
  5. Greataxe

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    I think your attitude about wanting scientific data on differences between human groups is little better than those who were sure the earth was flat, and would burn anyone at the stake who said otherwise.

    What do you fear? Do you think the human brain works by magic? That all other human traits can be inherited execpt intelligence, behavior and emotion or any or anything else brain related?

    The way the world has been over time is really all the proof one needs. How intelligent a small percentage of an ethnic group won't matter. But if the vast majority of a certain group has reduced intelligence---it certainly will for the society at large.

    That is why Blacks and Aborigines are always at the bottom of the bottom of the social strata both on their home continants and wherever they are found in large communities around the world. Modern cultures need an average population IQ of 100 to maintain it. IQ's of 80 won't, and IQ's of 65 sure won't.

    Today the topic of race and intelligence is just as unpopular today as the idea of a round earth that wasn't the center of the universe.

    Are you any more enlightened than the Flat Earthers?
     
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    Imnotreallyhere Well-Known Member Donor

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    Based on comments by Greataxe, and your reply (comment #7) to J0NAH's comment #6, it would seem that everyone but you picked up on this.
     
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    This of course makes it alright to discriminate against an entire population; to marginalize it and deny it the same rights as other populations. They are different, not equal and thus should not have equality before the law.

    All in all you guys are simply restating 'White Man's Burden' by Rudyard Kipling. You should read the poem. Though he is right wing, he has a proper grasp of this particular nettle. There is a price to be paid for acting in this manner.
     
  8. Greataxe

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    I didn't say anything about equality or discrimination under the law. I'm just stating biological reality. But of course you haven't even looked at the 100+ studies already done that show intelligence differences among different groups. Wouldn't that make you a "racist?"

    Racism:

    : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism

    So anyone who believes that the dark pigments in the skin on darker people have superior protection from the effects of the sun---would be a racist.

    So anyone who also believes that Blacks have inherently better running and jumping skills (as they hold virturally every track and field record in them)---would also be a racist.

    This isn't poetry class, BTW. You should bring up some scientific data to support your claims.
     
  9. J0NAH

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    do you think a trailer park bean eating redneck with 2 teeth is more intelligent than a 'black' NY city banker?

    simple question
     
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    how many black NYC bankers are there?
     
  11. J0NAH

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    Yo, do you like nikki minaj? this thread deserves a soundtrack dont ya think?
     
  12. Greataxe

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    I can only base one group against another. Blacks invairably score one standard deviation below the Euro Whites---and those are the ones with 10% + Euro or other genes mixed-in.

    Wouldn't it be more fair to test 100 or a 1000 Whites who live in poor areas like trailer parks TO the same number of Blacks living in the slums of Birmingham England?
     
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    no it wont be ok. you need to prove that a bean eating trailer park moron is more intelligent than a 'black' city banker in order to prove intelligence is based on 'race'. otherwise youd be leaning towards environmental determinents of 'intelligence' rather than a cross section of the event.
     
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    Do you get special treatment in life?

    I asked you how it is logical to assume all populaces are equally intelligent when their environments are unequal?

    What kind of evolution did you learn at school?
     
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    There is no reason to assume that any population is smarter or stupider than another population. There simply isn't.


    What kind of evolution did you learn at school?

    Oh my education on evolution goes far beyond school- I have attended lectures on Evolution at the California Academy of Sciences and have gone to their many evolution exhibits. I have spent considerable time at the Smithsonian's evolution exhibit. I read a fair amount about evolution, and while I am not an expert, I am fairly well informed for a laymen.

    Evolution shows that the human species is evolving- for instance humans have evolved light skin and then back to dark skin in different geographical regions. But evolution does not say that one population of humans must be assumed to be smarter than another population of humans.

    And as I keep getting back to- it is a question that evolutionary scientists do not go into since evening defining intelligence is something that scientists will not agree on.

    So the question to me is why is it important to you that you must assume that one population is not equally intelligent with another population?
     
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    The bigger your brain is in relation to your body, the better your motor skill sets. Got any studies showing whites have big heads?
     
  17. rayznack

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    News to me; but thanks for confirming another cognitive difference, then.

    There are heaps of studies on racial differences in brain volume.

    I suggest you spend five minutes on this thing called the internet.

    Or scroll through these two links:

    http://isites.harvard.edu/fs/docs/icb.topic185351.files/Rushton-Jensen30years.pdf

    http://psychology.uwo.ca/faculty/rushtonpdfs/sizematters.pdf
     
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    You're good at constructing straw-men, but not at logical or scientific thinking.

    Where do you imagine I said people must evolve?

    I actually said that it was perfectly logical to believe that humans living in different environments would trend toward different ability; as opposed to your quaint view that not evolving under different environmental pressures should be expected.

    Why would cognitive ability be any less important than fast twitch muscle fibers?

    No answer, huh?
     
  19. Greataxe

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    I know you are desperate to prove your beliefs by championing the relative few of your best and brightest against your percieved ignorant Rednecks.

    But facts get in the way:

    There is a lot of overlap, of course, and some blacks are smarter than most whites. But while 50 percent of whites have IQs over 100, only 16 percent of blacks do. Likewise, whites are 20 times more likely than blacks to have IQs of 130 or higher.
    http://www.vdare.com/articles/race-iq-explanation-gap-at-achievement-gap-summit

    So the odds that the average Black dude becoming the big city banker you bring up is 20 times less likely.

    Here is a book I'm sure you will love reading:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bell_Curve

    :smile: enjoy.
     
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    I believe a races culture has more of a impact on individuals intelligents then race its self
    this is why a black kid adopted into a white families home seam to fail much better intellectually then one that is raised in his or hers normal culture
    it is why black foreign students do better in college then home grown black students
    blacks and liberals need to come to the understanding it is the American black culture that liberal help create is what is doing the damage to the black community not the white men
    liberals created the black culture of dependency, entitlement, and victimhood
     
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    I have been answering your bizarre questions- not my problem if you are unable or unwilling to accept them.

    As I have said from the begining

    There is no reason to assume that there is any difference in intelligence between humans in different ethnic groups of humans.

    And in my experience questions like yours are only intended to cause racial discord.
     
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    You actually haven't answered anything as that would involve addressing the claim in your post you keep repeating.

    But I see what the problem is.

    You have no understanding how evolution operates or simple lines of logic.

    You therefore do not know that selective pressure leads to shifting the normal distribution in a population group.

    So when you say there is no reason to assume that evolution stops above the neck, there isn't any ounce of thought in such a statement.

    It is simply based off your ignorance of evolution.

    This goes back to what I was saying about liberal creationism.

    It actually ignores evolution while invoking its name at the same time.
     
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    Europeans (5.9±0.08%) and East Asians (6.2±0.06%) inherited some portions of Neanderthal DNA because human-Neanderthal admixture occurred somewhere in the Middle East prior to Europeans' genetic split from proto-Asians, while Africans had not interbred with Neanderthals. Neanderthals had an average cranial capacity of 1600 cc, which was notably larger than the 1400 cc average for modern humans, and interbreeding with Neanderthals gave Europeans and East Asians some evolutionary advantages such as superior intelligence but Africans who stayed behind missed out on the golden opportunity.
     
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    http://pets.webmd.com/dogs/features/how-smart-is-your-dog

    Question: if different breeds of dogs have varying levels of intelligence, then why wouldn't different breeds of humans?
     
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    guy look >>>>>>>> ignorant rednecks makes up THE MAJORITY of your ppl. therefore you and yours are statistically more likely to have less intelligence than everybody else in america. facts are facts and you can be in denial all you like but that doesnt make you egyptian. youre just a european/american.
     
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