What if the South won the Civil War?

Not true at all. Catholicism is important in many parts of the world, but wields little political power.

Stalin had a point. How many divisions has he?

That's certainly untrue. The Empire was among the most centralized major European domains until Barbarossa failed to bring the Church and their allies to heel.

Two religious struggles destroyed the Empire, that against the Pope and that against the Protestants.

For almost 4 centuries Habsburgs were the automatic emperors.

That's simply not true. Think of the major states within the Empire. The Swiss confederation, the Bavarians, the Saxons, the Brandenburgers/Brandenburger-Prussians/Prussians, the Bohemians, Habsburg domains, etc. The Rhineland was a collection of Prince-Bishops, Free Cities, and minor dukes.

Only following WW2 has the Rhineland been the real political center of Germany, with Berlin playing a ceremonial role, like DC and Rome.

Yes, it's wonderful. I'm glad the Rhinelanders have the reins again. The easterners couldn't have done more poorly when they had them. What a disappointment 1849 was.

No no what? I don't disagree with anything you said. I'm simply pointing out that Paris had outsized political power within France at the time.

Well, I like to think not. I think I have a decent understanding of German history.

Don't buy the hysteria, there aren't many Nazis in the States. Even among racists Nazis are unpopular.

 

it's a common alternate history theme that's been explored more than a few times.....but science fiction isn't for the masses , fans tend to be brighter, creative and more inquisitive than the ignorant or lockstep gruppenthink crowd.It's a work of fiction..and if black america wants to become the arab street that's their perogative...in many ways, they already are , and like the arab street, they are played by the media and those they have become dependent on

 

I forgot the weird ideas of the English speaking world in case of religion - and specially the weird ideas about the holy catholic church. The catholic church is not a political party. The Christian religion is indeed no ideology at all.

What has this to do now with this what I said about the Rhineland and Bavaria, which were once part of the roman empire, were later important parts of the holy roman empire of German nation and where still today the most people are under a big influence of the holy (roman) catholic church? This roots are important. This areas are economically successful because of a long stable Christian history.

And I don't know how many divisions Stalin had. If he had all divisions of the whole world this would change nothing for me.

Emperor Barbarossa was an extremely violent barbarian. He had created the expression "furor teutonicus" because of his unbelievable barbaric behavior. He did even betray his best loyal friend Henry, the duke of Bavaria and [Lower] Saxonia, because he did not agree with Barbarossa to do war in North Italy.

Again: It was Napoleon Bonaparte who destroyed the holy empire by attacking Germany. The German emperor in Vienna was not any longer able to help to defend Germany. So he ¿illegally? liquidated the Holy Roman Empire of German Nation and called himself now "Emperor of Austria".

Two mighty families. They were really good. Some years ago died the last man from the house Habsburg, who was educated to be able to be an emperor: Otto von Habsburg-Lothringen. Some people should not die, because this makes the world poorer - he was one of them. He was by the way also a convinced democrat - lots of the nobles today are convinced democrats - an important member of the European Parliament.

Only to be sure that you know what you try to do: You try to explain a German the history of Germany while the theme here is "What if the South won the Civil War?".
The Rhineland was part of the holy roman empire from the year 800 - 1806. How it was organized and/or disorganized is another thing. Anyway I love things which grow in their own ways and have a unique originality.

Germany is like a little universe: Everywhere is the center. Mostly where people think they live alone at the end of the world

Specially I was very disappointed in 1849.

Hm - you have.

Frustrated people who hate all and everything, I guess.

If often hear 'arguments' in the English speaking world, which Hitler himself was not able to express 'better'.



I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves. (Matthew 1o, 16)

 

You'll have to refer back to my original statement -- if it had not been done...

 

Lincoln's objective from day one was to find generals who would fight to win. It was only a matter of time before it was done.

 

I wrote in #122 here "I do not understand your form to think. What do you think "Germany" - I guess you mean the Prussian politics of the 19/20th century now - should had to do on what reason?"

I 'retranslate' it in this way: "I don't understand you. I guess you think about the politics of Prussia in the late 19th early 20th century by using the word "Germany". What should had to happen in Germany in your view on the world in those days?"

And I have still no idea about, how you made the conclusion I would be a supporter of Hitler and/or Stalin. As far as I know nothing whatever I said or did in my whole life supported this tyrants nor any other tyrant.