What is being PC?

Just because they're Americans doesn't they understand everything about each other. Why a Northerner has to say about the Confederate flag is different then someone from the south. Now there are reasons why Ben Carson doesn't appeal to African Americans. You're right, a lot of it has to do with his politics. At this point though, he's no longer identifying as a member of the African American community, and instead identifying as part of the GOP. There in lies part of the problem, it's not just race that makes it so you can be part of the African American community, it's also accepting other ideas as well.

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How so?

 

That is what I do but my comments were not specifically about me but a broad generalization of what is or is not PC which is relative to the individual. But being PC is not limited to classifying people as it goes well beyond that... for example switching from a red to purple pen when marking mistakes on a graded paper which is silly as the purple will eventually become demonized as its predecessor was.

 

I don't know if that would be being PC at that point. It's the same spirit as being PC but not it's not that.

 

whether you intend to offend someone or not, at the end of the day, that person is offended and will 99% of the time, will assume that you meant to offend them, even if you didn't, unless you expressly apologize. So unless you apologize, it doesn't really matter whether you intended to offend someone or not. The person will assume that you intended to.

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purple is not the appropriate color for grading papers. Obviously, the acceptable colors are black or red. Blue might be acceptable as well.

 

That's how speech works, intentions aren't always clear in words. But just because someone is ignorant doesn't mean they're disrespecting a person or group. The reason why it seems like people are offended is because if you're offering an opinion on that group and you use the wrong words, then it shows ignorance on the topic at hand. If a Liberal was trying to explain what Libertarians believe in, it helps not to make the basic mistake of confusing Libertarianism with Conservatism.

 

PC is getting offended over the slightest little thing...

 

No, that is not how speech works. That is how speech doesn't work.

I always liked the following quote: "A thorough gentleman, courteous and well-bred, will never give offense unintentionally, and will not permit himself to be easily offended."

You're right though, using the wrong words is a display of ignorance. The problem is that racism, sexism, and all other forms of discrimination, stem from ignorance. And so if you use the wrong words because you are ignorant, then that is a problem because racism and bigotry both stem from that same ignorance.

 

You are correct or you are not. Being politically correct means not being correct, in other words it means being wrong, knowing it, being afraid to say what's really right and trying to justify one's own cowardice.

 

I avoid the issues at work myself because frankly I don't want to get fired (god only knows what I could say that would (*)(*)(*)(*) people off, got a lot of law and order types there). As for your post I don't disagree with what you are saying, however that doesn't justify political correctness nor its social enforcement. Someone should not lose their livelihood because they espouse views that are not politically correct. That is against the very core of a free society and very dangerous. It sets a precedence of "you will think this way, you will not think any other way" which is very, very bad. Don't get me wrong I think people should all support gay marriage myself, but do I think those who are against it should face losing their jobs if their views are made public, hell no. Should they be expected to have to hide their point of view, to stay silent about it, hell no. Clearly if they are causing a disruption (bothering gay people with their BS) then that's a real issue and HR needs to handle that including letting them go if necessary.

 

Calling someone an ******** isn't polite, which proves the point.

It's not about being reasonably polite - it's going to an excessive degree to avoid offending people, especially "minorities".

If you look up the definition of the word, that's exactly what it refers to - not "being polite" - so you're incorrect on that

 

You haven't seen anyone affected by PC? I'm shocked, but here's a short list:

* Here's the CEO of Mozilla resigning due to PC pressure for donating to an anti-gay marriage group years in the past http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/03/us-mozilla-ceo-resignation-idUSBREA321Y320140403
* Here's Hulk Hogan fired for racist remarks made outside of work like 8 years in the past http://www.rollingstone.com/sports/news/hulk-hogan-fired-by-wwe-over-racial-tirade-20150724
* Jerry Seinfeld explaining why he doesn't do colleges (too PC) http://www.ew.com/article/2015/06/08/jerry-seinfeld-politically-correct-college-campuses
* Chris Rock feels the same way http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/01/chris-rock-colleges-conservative_n_6250308.html
* Head of the IMF cancelling comecement speach after protests http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/...commencement-christine-lagarde_n_5313127.html
* College's in general rejecting speakers http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/14/e...erford-speaker-is-latest-to-bow-out.html?_r=1

It's a problem, and unless the trend reverses it will only get worse.

 

Correct, and since fundamentalist Christians are a minority then by your "logic" they deserve the same level of respect, and shouldn't be forced to watch gays kiss in public right?

A black panther would have a different standard if someone said "n-ger" instead of cracker - so what's your point?

It's been explained that you're completely wrong on this - why do you keep repeating the same lie?

You think you know more than people than the dictionary?

po·lit·i·cal cor·rect·ness
noun
the avoidance, often considered as taken to extremes, of forms of expression or action that are perceived to exclude, marginalize, or insult groups of people who are socially disadvantaged or discriminated against.

Exactly - and PCism is imposing an unfair standard on others.

Right, and then unless PC individuals treat intolerance against... short people... or people who wear glasses the same as they do intolerance toward "gays" or "blacks" then they're in the wrong - and of course they don't - and openly admit not to doing.

A devout Muslim would find your avatar offensive since it shows a woman not wearing a hajib. That's not flamebait, it's fact.

If a Muslim told you it offended his religion would you be obligated to remove it?

You just debunked yourself here.

A PC person who gets angry over racial slurs toward black people but not terms like "cracker" is doing just that. Likewise a person disproportionately concerned with anti-gay bigotry, but not voicing the same concern regarding bigotry against... dwarves... or handicapped people is doing just that - showing more concern because the person is "gay" than an actual concern for discrimination on principle.

That's what PCism is - you just define it as such yourself.

Agreed, and many individuals have no sense of a line whatsoever.

That's a non-sequitur as mentioned before. Because offense is subjective, not "objective".

Therefore if a gay character enjoys Will and Grace then the offense doesn't exist.

Comparing it to the Hunger Games is just dishonest since in the Hunger Games actual acts of violence are being committed on people.

"Why do white characters in "The Office" have to work desk jobs?why can't they do something else?"... The question makes no sense at all.

Better question - who cares? Plus you just refuted yourself again - if the show featured a flamboyant straight character, you wouldn't be complaining - therefore proving as you mentioned above that it's hypocritical because "if it was a different person, you wouldn't care".

Incorrect again - your logic is basically that if 10,000 people enjoy a show, it should be taken off the air because 1 person doesn't like it or "got offended".

PC doesn't hold the same standard to everyone as you ended up admitting yourself.

You said yourself you have a problem with flamboyant gay characters being in a show like Will and Grace - but if it was a flamboyant straight character you wouldn't care - lol

Please stop repeating this lie - as pointed out to you, by the very dictionary definition PC is not about treating people with "respect" because it is not going against something a person has a "right" to.

Just like a Christian has no "right" to not see gay people kiss in public - or a Muslim has no "right" not to see a woman not wearing a burka. So if a Muslim demanded a woman put on a burka because it "offended" his religion, she would not be obligated to do so in order to "show respect" - the Muslim would be obligated to go elsewhere.

If a person asked me to say it to them specifically I would do it.

If some angry person who wasn't involved in a conversation overheard me saying "black" and felt the need to butt in, then I'd tell them to take it elsewhere.

 

Reminds me of people claiming that "racism doesn't exist", lol

Anyone who's claiming it doesn't exist is just being dishonest, no other explanation, lol

 

Political correctness is the act of seeing a dog, feeling offended by the fact that you see a dog, and then calling it a cat to make it easier to accept.

 

Political correctness is seeing a stranger kick a dog, and being more offended that the dog was black than that a dog was kicked.

 

No I would not.

 

Political correctness is all about forcing others to be respectful while telling others that they should be offended if certain words are directed towards them. Respect is not given, it is earned....and those "forced" to be respectful resent it. Political correctness removes the "individuality" from society and replaces it with "conformity".

 

I will call a person what ever name they prefer to their face, but when they aren't around I'll call them whatever name I prefer to whom ever I'm around. That's being polite to them and honest to myself. Many would call it hypocritical or not PC. I couldn't care less.

 

Hatsune Miku is the best singer of all time. That's my opinion, that's not right or wrong. It's an opinion. Opinions are never wrong, just when you try to make them a fact.

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What if it was just on an individual level? Use African American to refer to the person that asked you to use it?

 

This is why I'm confused on the definition of PC. These are not PC events, they're political protests or examples of when people weren't PC. Take your first example. Let's say that he didn't donate to anti gay but pro-gay rights groups. Christians forced him out of office. The politically correct position would be to keep him in. Or how do we know that this wasn't the marketing cleansing itself? Companies that are against what the public want have to change their positions to stay in business. That's not a PC thing, that's just doing business.

Or how about this? Jerry Springer doesn't do college shows because of something his daughter told him. She said he was sexiest because of something he said. Say something in favor of Libertarianism, people will call you a Libertarian. That's not PC, that's labeling a person. If it's the wrong labeling of a position, the only cure is ironically enough being PC. PC is about using the right words. What if people instead called you a conservative? They're not being PC so you would correct them.

 

"Old Yeller", now that's a movie.

 

But doesn't a person have to present himself as a gentleman in order for other people to believe in his intentions? That's how speech works, people have to believe that the intentions are pure if they are to believe the words are pure as well. It's not a question of how the individual presents himself as it is of how other people believe his words. How the words are presented will matter more then what the individual saying them thinks.

 

No. It's not a question of whether or not they're a minority. It's whether or not they would impose an unfair standard on a group. Unless the fundamentalist would apply the same standard to every PDA, then he is imposing an unfair standard on the gay couple.

If being PC is treating everyone with dignity and respect, then people have to treat others with respect, regardless of minority or majority status. The reason why it seems to be majority oppressing minorities is because that's how the majority stays in power, through political and economic subjugation of minorities.

What lie? All I've done is put two and two together. What is the outcome of adopting a PC style of living? It's treating other people with respect. If you exclude someone, are you respecting their rights? No. If you marginalize someone, how can you claim to be respecting them? If you insult someone, you are not respecting them.

So Libertarians should not object when someone calls their beliefs "Conservatism"?

So they have to prioritize everything equally?

Besides the fact that the Hijab is for Muslims, and she's not a Muslim, no. Because Miku here has the right to self determination, she can decide what she wears. The Muslim is in the wrong because he's trying to impose his standards on another person. He's not being PC. Part of being PC is respect. Saying that a group has Self determination in what a group does means that you are respecting that groups right to identity.

What does Cracker mean to the group? There's no question about it that it's an offensive term. So why does the "PC crowd" (whatever that means) allow it? What you're really asking is why aren't whites up in arms over this? They are. Same thing with insults towards dwarves, or the handicapped, or homosexuals, or really any group of people. It's the awareness of the individual that's at fault here. Is the "PC crowd" aware of its insults when it says certain words? This is why groups have to send messages out to others, so they understand what's going on. Think of it like this. Weight is a great thing to joke about. But if you know a thing or two about eating disorders, body image and weight are no laughing matter. We still tell jokes, but only because eating disorders don't have as much of a presence as say Gay rights. Thus they're still joked about. If more people were to become aware about eating disorders, then the situation would change.

Oh trust me, I know that personally.

And couldn't we say that comparing your position comparing it to a popular TV show is just as dishonest? It's not a question of whether or not it's popular or enjoyable, it's a question of whether or not it's wrong in of itself.

I am white and I bike a lot. That does not mean I will identify with both or any of those traits. This is a question of identity now. Are they identifying themselves as white or an employee? They're not presenting themselves as white. In this case, race is not an issue. Nor do I think you understand my position. If any character can be flamboyant, then that's aligned with being PC. If it's only the straight people being flamboyant, that's not being PC because anyone can be PC.

That's not my logic. My logic says that the people decide what to watch. Whether or not it's morally acceptable to do it is another question.

You probably don't like apples as much as oranges or vice versa. But you still would call them fruit regardless of your opinion on them. Your opinion on a group can be whatever you want it to be. Just don't act on that opinion and instead treat them with respect.

I don't believe I said that at all. Actually, no I never said that.

And as I corrected you already you would still repeat this line.

Hence Self Determination of a group or people.

So what you're telling me is, you would be PC?

 

It depends what that livelihood is. If you're a computer programmer, then it shouldn't matter what your political beliefs are. But if you work in a social media job, for instance, then things you say could impact your job, and then it does make a difference if you hold beliefs that are socially unacceptable.

 

PC is using speech and terms as to not offend or emotionally hurt the feelings of a minority group in the society at large.