What is the Chrisitan rights' MORAL objection to Sharia ?

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  1. Channe

    Channe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Law X is unlawful because the Quran says so. Therefore, Allah's command supersedes man's law and we Muslims are not obligated to follow it

    Law X is unlawful because the Bible says so. Therefore, Jesus' commands supersedes man's law and we Christians are not obligated to follow it.

    I implore the logic and fairness of this forum. What is the Christian right's moral objection to Sharia ?
     
  2. Johnny-C

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    Brilliant!!
     
  3. Pycckia

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    That's easy. Sharia conflicts with the Christian idea of what is right.
     
  4. Channe

    Channe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    On what basis is something right aside from Jesus' arbitrary command ? If morals are based on God's authority, morality is random.
     
  5. Pycckia

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    No more random than any other basis.
     
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    it really doesn't though, no more than Judaism anyway
     
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    The same as the Christian lefts I imagine
     
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    Polygamy?
    Alcohol?
    Pork?
    Taxation of Christians and Jews?

    That just off the top of my head. I am sure there are many more Christian objections to sharia.

    And I don't know that Jews ever tried to enforce their law on gentiles.
     
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    Their objection is they aren't the ones making the rules.
     
  10. TCassa89

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    I can tell it's off the top of your head

    1. Polygamy is also a part of the Jewish faith, both Moses and Abraham were polygamists. However most modern Jews do not practice polygamy, but there are still some sects who do.. in similar sense, most modern Christians and Muslims do not practice polygamy either, but some sects do

    2. Pork is also prohibited in the Jewish faith.. my statement was that Islam doesn't differ from Christianity any more than Judaism

    3. Contrary to Judaism, Muslims are generally forbidden to drink alcohol, however, contrary to Islam most Jews are forbidden to eat shellfish. These are different traditions, but again the Muslim traditions contradict the Christian traditions about as much as the Jewish traditions contradict the Christian traditions

    4. The tax you speak of is what is known as the Jizya tax.. and it's not really a tax on Christians and Jews, but a tax specifically on able bodied males who do not serve in the military. You see, in medieval times all able bodied men had to enlist for military service (similar to modern day Switzerland) , in the Islamic states non-Muslims did not have to serve in the military if they did not want to. They had the option to either serve in the military or pay the Jizya tax(able bodied Muslim men were not given this option) however, in modern times most countries use voluntary militaries

    No modern Muslim country uses the Jizya tax anymore.. not one.. but for hypothetical example lets say today were still the medieval times, and able bodied men who did not serve in the military did indeed need to pay the Jizya tax.. even then so, all non-Muslims were excepted from paying the Zakat tax. So the tax on Christians you speak of actually worked more as a tax break, but much more than this, the specific tax you speak of (the Jizya) does not exist anymore

    and finally, non-Muslims are not held to Sharia law in the Islamic state (this is a tradition that goes back to the constitution of Medina)
     
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    I have read the Jizya is being extracted by gangs in Egypt. I have also read that a European was sentenced to 500 lashes for "trafficking in alcohol." In some countries, disrespecting Islam is rewarded with a death penalty.

    A resurgent Islam is intent on re-establishing Sharia in all its particulars and with all its Draconian punishments, and I think that is worth opposing.
     
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    I like bikinis on women that haven't been stoned to death.
     
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    Any evil one can imagine has been, at times, in places, perfectly legal. Any good one can imagine has been, at times, in places, completely illegal. Legal and illegal are no measure of good and evil, moral and immoral, right and wrong.

    We each have a moral responsibility to pick and choose which laws to obey balanced only by a practical responsibility to get away with it.

    Compliance with law is no excuse for being complicit with evil.

    No one should take any moral consolation from the legality of a thing and no moral trepidation from the illegality of it.

    See: Nuremberg
     
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    A theocracy is always worth opposing, but I think the point of the OP is a Christian theocracy is no more desirable. Have you ever read the code of law written in the bible, or better yet read the history of law based on religious doctrine?

    Furthermore, in the majority of the Muslim countries that exist today, Sharia is not the law. Out of the 50+ Muslim countries that exist today, about 12 of them use sharia as the law of the land
     
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    Sharia and Biblical law have no place in our government

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    Non Muslims pay LESS tax than Muslims.
     
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    None or they would be damned to hell and hypocrits
     
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    old testament laws were harsh weren't they
     
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    The Old Testament doesn't bother me. It's the religious extremists still alive and kicking that are causing trouble in the world today. If we find large groups of well armed Christians running around chopping people's heads off we can have that discussion then.
    Stay focused.
     
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    to me all religious fanatics are the same, regardless what kinda theists they are... history has shown us they are all evil... don't forget history, or you will be bound to repeat it

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    That's easy. They think that only Jesus is right, and that Quran is work of Satan.
     
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    agreed, absolutely
     

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