What Is The Underlying Cause Of Astronomically High Black Crime Rates?

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What Is The Underlying Cause Of Astronomically High Black Crime Rates?

  1. Genetics

    20.5%
  2. Greed

    12.8%
  3. Low intelligence

    10.3%
  4. Poverty

    28.2%
  5. Culture

    46.2%
  6. Victimism

    15.4%
  7. Revenge

    7.7%
  8. Other

    28.2%
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  1. Mr_Truth

    Mr_Truth Well-Known Member

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    Did blacks commit slavery or practice genocide as whites did to Indians and others?

    Institutional racism??

    Selective enforcement of the law???


    Those are also crimes. And what about white collar crimes which costs society so much more than do street crimes?????
     
  2. rayznack

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    Blacks carry out white collar crime at higher rates than Whites. You should look up the stats next time.

    I'm not aware of institutional racism affecting Blacks in both the US and Britain; but if you can name it, perhaps you can explain how it targets Blacks but bypasses other minorities since they too have lower crime rates than Blacks.
     
  3. superbadbrutha

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    How about you post them for us.

    The US Justice System for one. Please name another group other than maybe Native Americans that have been subjected and endured the racism that black folks have over the last 400+yrs in this country.
     
  4. MickSpeed

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    Genetics is a strong determinant of behavior.
     
  5. Ronstar

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    poverty, lack of low-skilled manufacturing jobs, legacy of slavery & segregation, single-parent homes.
     
  6. Moriah

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    Blacks are treated different than Whites in the criminal justice system. They are arrested more and once arrested they are given harsher sentences. There is a law professor at Loyola University named Quigley who wrote a great article about it. Go google it. The crime rates look higher for Blacks than they are for Whites, but they really are not.
     
  7. Egalitarianjay02

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    There are obviously some differences aside from skin color however there are no biological differences between human populations that could account for complex social behavior such as committing crime. The idea is promoted by racist ideologues most of whom know next to nothing about biology or genetics.
     
  8. rayznack

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    You know this, how?
     
  9. Egalitarianjay02

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    From reviewing the scientific literature on the topic.
     
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    TRFjr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    they are arrested more because they commit more crimes they get harsher sentences because more are second and third time offenders
     
  11. danielpalos

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    It is self-evident that Nature plays as much of a role as Nurture.

    How many first world economies have the same problems as third world economies?
     
  12. rayznack

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    Which literature can you cite?
     
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    How is it possible that generations of African American "baby daddies" resulted in "no genetic difference". Oh right it's literally impossible and just a cheap Communist lie.
     
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    It has nothing to do with color. It is CULTURE. SOME blacks have an entitlement mindset. SOME whites have an entitlement mindset. This culture is wholly supported by Leftist, Social progressive secular humanists that obtain their largesse mostly through either collecting, creating, and/or administering government give-away programs. It is a system that thrives on being 'broken' and, as long as there is money, it will NEVER go away nor will it ever solve anything. In fact, I submit such programs exacerbate inner-city, gangsta, anarchist criminal elements by supporting able-minded and able-bodied indigents thus creating an endless spigot of taxpayer funding.

    Perhaps the reason why blacks seem so prominent in high crime rates are their un-chosen and un-elected 'front men' Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton. These so-called 'reverends' who seem to show up in order to exacerbate racial hatred around events such as Ferguson thrive on racial unrest and leveraging it into personal power. IMO these idiots, their followers and attached criminal element DO NOT represent the majority of blacks in any way.
     
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    I assume by "color" you mean race genetic differences. Because literally nobody claimed skin color caused anything. Can you provide evidence for your claims?
     
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    Check out the OP....Will ya?

    "What Is The Underlying Cause Of Astronomically High Black Crime Rates?"

    Last time I looked 'Black' was a color and it states in the OP that there are 'Astronomically High Black Crime Rates'.
     
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    Black is indeed a color but it's also a metaphor for Sub-saharan African ancestry.

    Which sense do you think we are using?

    Am I confused? Are we discussing crime rates of black objects? If so I apologise for my crass stupidity.
     
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    For instance on this subject Joseph Graves, an eminent evolutionary biologist, reviewed the research claiming racial differences in androgen levels and showed why the claim that high testosterone equates to greater crime is fallacious.

    If you think about the nature of certain violent crimes the idea that aggression is a causative factor is preposterous. Your level of aggression does not determine your likelihood of killing someone with a gun, having a gun and the depraved mindset to use it for murder determines your likelihood of killing someone with a gun. Likewise rape is not a crime that requires high levels of aggression. Rapists plot out their crime. They target their victims, pick the setting they are going to use to rape them and make their move. The physical act is aggressive and violent but the premeditated assault does not require aggression. Crimes of passion involve a lot of aggression. Someone prone to getting in to a lot of spontaneous fights may naturally be more aggressive than the average person. Genes are obviously linked to aggression and bad behavior but the idea that we can measure a person's propensity for violence is not valid. Violence is a complex social behavior which often involves a trigger for the behavior and the likelihood of a person being violent involves a variety of factors that have nothing to do with genetics.

    I also find the idea that you should judge the behavior of a large group of people on a minority of people within that group to be absurd. The criminal element within a population represents a small fraction of that population. To say that Blacks are naturally more violent because of a few violent criminals within the population is ridiculous. Most Black Americans are law-abiding citizens. As Graves noted going by that logic many groups can be condemned for bad behavior based on violent or criminal behavior that was part of their culture such as White enslavement of Blacks. That crime against humanity involved a series of atrocities that included kidnap, rape and murder which are some of the most heinous crimes a person can commit. But since it was legal it wasn't considered to be a "crime." Because crime itself is defined by the culture of the group that makes the laws it makes no sense to attach a genetic basis to propensity to commit crime. At the end of the day the claim that certain races are more prone to criminality is an attempt to promote racial propaganda and not a legitimate scientific position.

    This is a prime example of what I'm talking about. How can anyone take you seriously on your genetic arguments when you use language that expresses racist stereotypical thinking? Baby daddies result in genetic differences? What in the world are you talking about? Are you saying that having children out of wedlock somehow results in genetic differences between Blacks and Whites? Is this an example of dysgenics to you? It's obviously racist nonsense but I'll give you a chance to explain your reasoning.

    The idea that human races differ in mental traits that impact complex social behavior is racist wishful thinking, not a valid scientific theory. There is no reason for the function of the brain to differ between geographic populations. There are genetic pathologies that influence the way some people think but the average person has the same general cognitive capacity. Natural selection favors intelligence in all environments humans inhabit so there's no evolutionary basis to assume that races differ in intellect. When you hear racists babble about communism and Jewish conspiracies as a suggestion that Egalitarians have a biased view on this subject you know that these people aren't dealing with reality. They lack critical thinking skills. They are the ones who are biased and they do not have a scientific mindset.
     
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    I'd beg to differ on many of the spontaneous street rapes notoriously carried out by Blacks in the...everywhere.

    Same with gun violence in which Blacks use a gun during a liquor store robbery or opposing street gang members.

    Many such actions are unplanned but happen due to lack of control or inability to consider alternative actions.

    And what's your evidence rape and gun crime is not hormonally linked?

    Why aren't females carrying out gun crime at comparable rates to males?
     
  21. Egalitarianjay02

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    That's not true. A street rapist isn't just standing there minding his own business then sees a beautiful woman and develops an uncontrollable urge to rape her. They plan out their attacks. They look for victims often that are easy targets and then they go after them. It is a cold, calculated and deliberate crime not a spontaneous action. The same goes for robbing a liquor store at gun point. Those crimes are usually planned. You don't just have a gun on you and something clicks in your mind to rob a store. You and your friends talk about it before hand and decide today is the day you rob the store at gun point. And having the gun doesn't make you any more aggressive than not having a gun it just gives you an advantage. This is common sense that comes from understanding the nature of these crimes. I don't have any sources for you at the moment but I've read sources on the psychology of rape that confirm what I'm talking about.

    Do you have sources that indicate that these crimes are hormonally linked?

    As for why women don't use guns as much as men I attribute this to personality differences between men and women not hormone levels. Men are more likely to be involved in law enforcement or the military because they're more attracted to jobs where they're in a position of power and can potentially be violent on the job. Men are definitely more aggressive than women and have a greater capacity for violence because they are stronger. Sex differences between men and women do include differences in hormone levels. Races or populations of humans are not differentiated in the same way.
     

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