What is "Truth"?

Bravo... just don't let your 'truth' turn into religious dogma.

 

How could I?....since he would accept nothing I said as true...if it contradicted what he believed was true.

It'd be like trying to "dry out" water.

 

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Well, it is a patented item. Dehydrated Water.

 

... but you are wise enough to use the dictionary,... right?

truth noun \ˈtrüth\

the property of being in accord with fact or reality

 

So he or you could be wrong.
Or, you both might be wrong.

Truth depends ONLY upon Reality to exist, not what you, or he, or I, might say.

 

'truth' depends only upon the individual making the observation and giving the consideration of that which is observed. That which is observed is not limited to the physical realm.

 

And still no-one seems to know what 'truth' is or how it should be defined.

 

Well, I can see now that the intellectuals on this forum are falling short of the mark in calling themselves intellectuals. They cannot fabricate a definition of the term 'truth' that is irrefutable and not ambiguous. Of course I have already admitted that I cannot perform such a task. Are they afraid to make such an admission?

 

Seemingly, throughout most of this thread, only a few members have been able to focus on the two questions asked in the OP. All sorts of ideas have been presented but no conclusion that is agreeable with all members has been reached. Where are all the so called 'truth' seekers on this forum?

 

On a more interesting note pertaining to the OP questions:

It appears that there were many non-theists giving responses on this thread. Taking the questions in the OP as the standard for discussion on this thread, it would appear that those non-theists are actually believers... the OP requested "religious meaning" and "religious perspective" on the subject of what is 'truth'. They provided their 'religious perspective'.

 

If one compares representatives of different religions to clay pots than only one kind of pot is right. Take it or leave it. For God is the God of all the people but not the God of all religions. There are many nonbelievers who would like to mix up all the religions or compile a certain intermediate religion or consider them all on equal basis. And that is idiotic since there is a human purpose and human wishful thinking in such an approach. Christian Religion by the definition is given by God to those people who accept it. It is not logically evolved from human beings with their human reasoning.

 

Religions all seem to be trying to tell us what the Bible(s) say, and explain the many things written in them.

The purpose appears to be trying to define God for us, and also list behaviors which religions say are direct commands from this God they believe hey have described.
In this sense, they all differ.

They all have many listed things which compete with each other, but are man-made ideas or theories of theology.

 

Only one kind of Pot can be said to be right when there is given the ingredients list of what the clay is composed of. Now, do you know of anyone living that is capable of telling you what 'God' is composed of? I don't...

I believe you might be making reference to such organizations as the Ecumenical Council of Churches.

I agree that human understanding of 'logic' is nothing more than a tool and as a tool, it can be properly used and/or abused.

 

In this division religion is not a man-made idea. There are other places for such views: "Science" or "Philosophy" In fact, TRUTH in religion and TRUTH in philosophy or science are not just different senses. These are different words as they back up different notions altogether. I would have agreed with some arguments from the mathematical point of view if they had been presented in "Science" but not here. This thread is on religion.When you come with a "man-made idea" it is like you visit an Art Gallery and then address everybody and try to discuss utility services issues there.

 

So you believe that one can read a book, like say, Revelation, and never need to figure out what it means, because it is so clear and easy to understand, I guess???

And, with 12 major mainstream denominational christians churches all differing in what they tell us the Bible means, there is no man-made differences in opinions to be considered??

 

I believe it, don't you? Differences in interpretation is irrelevant as long as those interpretations are first recognized by the interpreter as being just a personal way of viewing something and that others might also view it differently. Don't bash the other person when you know and recognize that yours is also just another personally approved interpretation and is only valid for you the interpreter.

 

You may be right when using the word as True/False in a written test, which does relate to a discipline and selected answer that has been formulated by the discipline, itself.

But things are either True or False depending on whether they actually exist.
An answer to a question does exist, and can be marked correct.
But Truth is the image what is Real.

You may be a Ptolemy Astronomist and believe as all the world had, that the Sun goes around the Earth.

True as that may be in that discipline, it is factually wrong, because the Reality is different.

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Yes, people believe Revelation.

But they all differ in what the insist it says.
If it is right, only one way of understanding Revelation is TRUE.

 

And the question stands: Who has the "TRUE" understanding?

 

You posted a similar question on your "what is objective reality?" thread. I'd venture that 'truth' is 'objective reality'. Unfiltered by subjective perception. Truth is what it is..until defined subjectively.

 

Who is the 'you' that is spoken about in your posting and what 'question' was posed?

 

These replies and the thread subject hits home for me. My favorite religious/philosophical subject other than end time prophesy is the meaning of truth/reality (what is). I drive IC crazy with my analogies and I get the idea that we don’t agree on much about Christianity. Funny the church that sponsored my cordiality feels the same way! Lol. Just saying and admitting I know my ideas are unorthodox and maybe borderline heresy, however they are what prompted me to be a Christian, a huge jump from devout atheist. But as the good book says the real reason I am Christian is not because I chose it, rather God chose me.


As far as religion goes I feel that no religion has described God to an accuracy of 100%. Including the various forms of Christianity, if for no other reason we all make small different interpretations of scripture. I feel that a creator God(s) exists and is truth incarnate. The reason for the ‘s’ parentheses is that God can not be ‘hemmed in’ by using human terms such as plurality. Also I choose Christianity as the most accurate of religions for a variety of reasons, some personal.


reva

 

I reread my post and meant to mention that IC is a one of my best and oldest friends here at PF but the Edit time monster would not let me add that!

reva

 

God

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AX1Y-xr36A4

 

Now you personal response is one which I cannot argue. However, I have not had the opportunity to check out the link you provided, but will do so.

 

Awesome demonstration of what I would consider the Champion Pianist. I would recommend his playing to anyone who enjoys the Piano and especially a talent such as his.

Just for the record... let me repeat the link you provided.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AX1Y-xr36A4