What I've been saying: Covid-19 much more dangerous than initial death toll suggests

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  1. CenterField

    CenterField Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Except that antibodies acquired from the natural infection with SARS-CoV-2 are generally not as efficient as the ones induced by the two mRNA vaccines we have now, given how clean and focused this new technology is. This is why, especially in the presence of the three new and more aggressive strains, B.1.1.7 (UK), B.1.351 (South Africa), and P.1 (Brazil-Manaus), it is recommended that even those who have had Covid-19 get vaccinated. The B.1.351 and the P.1 are also more prone to causing re-infection, with the second bout often worse than the first one.

    A case could be made though, for getting them to the back of the line. There are numerous downsides, though. Logistically, it would add a new step/complicator: antibody tests that are generally less reliable than RT-PCR tests, not to forget, some are merely qualitative rather than quantitative so don't give a sufficient snapshot of the person's immunity. I suppose that we could just go by medical records showing that the patient has had the infection. Again, the immunity status of that person wouldn't be able to be gauged merely by having had the infection given that immune response varies with severity of illness and a high number of factors (vit D level, zinc level, blood type, genetic makeup, previous exposures to other coronaviruses, age, underlying medical conditions, medications being taken, etc.).

    So, if you go for something like this, what do you do? A panel to gauge someone's immunity?

    You get for example someone on high dose of NSAIDS for osteoarthritis, or immunosuppressants for lupus, or debilitated by a cancer, or with HIV, and/or obese and diabetic... who gets a relatively mild case of Covid-19... qualitative antibody test is positive but quantitative antibody test shows weak immune response to the first infection... and you say, let's not vaccinate this person yet because the person has already had Covid-19. Then the person contracts the B.1.351 variant and dies. Great.

    So, are you advocating for "death panels"?

    See what happens when lay people talk about medical matters? They think they are talking out of common sense, but they can't see the larger picture, and they don't think of all the unintended consequences of their ideas.

    With the level of complexity and questionable ethical dilemmas that implementing your idea would entail, I'll say that the existing recommendation of simply vaccinating everybody as soon as possible is correct and makes way more sense.
     
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    TheAngryLiberal Banned

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    Don't let him get under your Skin, Comparing You and Him is like comparing Einsteins intelligence to a Garden Slug. I use to ride Motocross Bikes at Tahuya and none of the people I met out there had any Teeth and it seems like there's a lot of Inbreeding going on, so that should tell you a thing or two about his genetics.
     
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  3. CenterField

    CenterField Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I can think of much better ways to spend my time and energy than debating with this kind of poster. He's not under my skin. I just have zero patience for his kind.
     
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    Covid is as dangerous as the flu. The entire country was deceived and terrorized, and a year later only about two-thirds of the country realizes it, but half of them are afraid to admit it.
     
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