What makes the Quran, better than Bible or Torah?

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  1. Bishadi

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    well, i rather perfer the concept that god is 'all ah it' . Basically, existence itself. The universe we know and live within.

    ie... if people comprehended that, then there would be no face of god, no pictures of a diety, no symbols, not statues, not single identification except 'all ah' it.

    We eat, breath, cloth and live within the body of god, so every action, every reaction, every thought we can entertain is within 'all ah' it (god itself).

    So then no wrong could be done without it affecting 'all ah' it and then to know that, each can become humble to him and have understanding of just how important it is to 'all ah' us, it, the universe; existence itself.

    As far as the 'name', well i see it that to comprehend that 'all' mass, 'all' energy, and 'all' time is him, itself, then there is a process that mankind can understand mathematically (the universal language) to comprehend HIM (existence itself)

    Then to put to writing 'the word' (in math) of that process, then it is in fact 'naming' god.

    ie.... the name of god (all ah it) is the last word to all arguments.

    Do you know the surah talking about the 'end times', the 'second creation'..... 'the days'?


    you are in them NOW!
     
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    Humans have been claiming the "end times" since Oog first saw lightning 50,000 years ago, roflololol, END TIMES hehehehehhe!
     
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    Well, not exactly. Jesus did admonish people to keep the Law of Moshe. He did say that unless you were more righteous than the Pharisees you would never see the Kingdom of God. That's not what modern Christianity would tell you he said. It also wouldn't explain the incident with the moneychangers in the temple -- I don't think you can logically make Jesus a sunshine and lolipops kind of Messiah.

    I think it runs sorta like this:

    Moses came and gave a law. people thought that outward obedience was the whole point. So they'd follow the letter of the law and do it from boligation, not love or respect for God,

    Jesus comes and says that the spirit of the law is the point. That you essentially have to do religion from a place of respect for god, not because you think that doing some ritual will make god love you.

    Muhammed comes along and reminds people that you are still supposed to obey God, and that not obeying is disrespect for God.

    Muslims are doing the same things that the Jews of Jesus' day were doing, and Bahaullah reminded them of the words of Jesus about how god demand love and respect for himself and the people of Earth.

    Sooner or later someone else will come and remind us that God wants obedience as well.

    Rinse and repeat until the end of time.
     
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    but in them periods (many of them) it is because of oppression and that 'what is right' (vindication) should unfold. Basically the idea that the oppressors will get theirs.

    In my eye, the end days are the days that knowledge reaches a pinnacle in which mankind can comprehend itself and 'good and bad' can be understood, in fact versus beliefs.

    To me, when the combining of the disciplines of knowledge (science, religion, philosophy) can be coupled to reality, then the true principles of life can be understood by all of mankind, equally and then mankind (four horseman; red yellow, black, white (colors of mankind)) can judge themselves, in equality.

    From religious puruits, to philosophical pursuits to the scientific pursuits, all as bodies of knowledge, the scope is to seek understanding. When they can combine, then i find the 'end times' can unfold, naturally.

    And that combining initially is by ONE idiot. (the name holder) and to me that combining is the math to sustain how existence operates (the name to know, the name upon the head) ie.... to put into a mathematical theorem how mass (elements), energy (light/em) and time operates universally, is 'the name to know'

    Within this period, mankind (most anyone) can combine knowledge. with the internet, information can convey and no 'power' can stop it.

    With the proper basics of understanding, the principles of life can be understood and be grounded in fact to existence itself.

    The math is the last word to all argument. To represent the process between the three (trinity) of nature (mass, energy, time), is that long sought 'name of god' (god being existence/nature itself).

    if one idiot was walking around and could in fact teach any how to live forever and it be fact, who would that be to the religious wingnuts?

    to the sciences, would that math be important?

    to be capable of sharing how, what and the comprehension of how life operates to base principles of conscious understanding; would that make for quality philosophical foundation?


    you make the call; Is understanding a good way to combine mankind and wipe out the garbage of idiocracies (judgment day)


    ie.... i know nuclear war is coming, but that aint because of the name holder. The selfish monsters of stupidity do it to themselves (and like the old prophecies claimed over that stupid hill (the mount) (tel megiddo means 'the hill) and the three religions of abraham are fighting over the dome of the rock (in jeruselem)............. the middle east conflict begin the 'fire from the sky'

    but the 'good' of the 'end times' comes from 'truth' unfolding and guess who be that idiots, affecting not only the sciences (watch the news, most of the improvements are on 'light' ) (gravity is just entangled energy between points of mass/time)

    be certain, you are in them days and what i bring is 'the name to know'

    not for sale, not to be said, not for anything but spreading the news.......... life can be understood and each can live beyond the grave (in what you do)

    ie... darwin won! (what he did is affecting all of us. Thank you darwin!)

    truth is what crushes the lies (ignorance falls to reality)

    A sword unlike any!!!!!!!

    And please giggle and doubt as that is what is good about information, you can feel it and dont have to believe anyone but give yourself a chance to know it yourself and test it yourself.

    So does the above make sense, or not?

    If the last word was to exist, would it be in the universal language?

    Would it unveil knowledge and be grounding nature to comprehension?

    Would it be a venue capable of freeing all of mankind, equally?

    Would it first start off with one idiot? Perhaps stumbling onto it and perhaps not even know what it was for almost it 3 decades and then learn over the course of his life to finally realize 'oh sheet'...............

    well what you are getting this information from that idiot. no one told me, what you are reading. You are getting it from that idiot

    and what i priiick i am to any liar simply because i am capable of judging and anyone can be too but what makes me so arrogant is i have the 'name upon the head' (last word between my ears)

    I will not speak, write or render that math until the four colors of mankind come together. Choose 3 from each (within themselves) and i will show up as the 'foot washer' (13th)

    until, them just enjoy the time reading from a nut case as i like being discounted by the fools while the good ones know what to do, with the information (just give it to others to understand what they are)

    my goal is the 'children will undertand' and i will live in what i left behind.

    :fart:
     
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    All belief in resurrection is belief for "real people" .. this is the whole point of mummification.

    There is a big difference between believing someone gets resurrected in the afterlife "spiritual or physical" .. and actually witnessing a person who has died walking around alive.


    Clement did not know about the witnesses .. otherewise he would have said something.

    I already commented on this .. Clement does not quote from Corinthans nor does he quote from any of the synoptic stories in relation to the risen Christ.

    A Christian today does indeed quote from the Bible .. especially if they are defending the resurrection. The belief that the risen Christ was witnessed is the core belief of todays Christianity.

    There is no evidence that anyone believed in witnessed to the risen Christ during Clements time.

    Further supporting evidence is given in Mark. Mark is the first of the synoptics to be written. http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/

    Mark did not have the long ending we have today - the part which contains the witnesses. All we are left with is an empty tomb .. a mystery.

    Even the first Bibles produced in the 4th century did not contain the long ending of Mark.

    No one knew about the stories of witnesses to the risen Christ in the first century .. because these stories had not been written yet.
     
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    Who said that the Koran is better?
     
  7. WillReadmore

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    I sort of agree with what you are saying here, but maybe not as directly as you mean it.

    The Quran isn't a replacement. Islam accepts the Bible, Jesus, etc.

    So, suggesting that one or the other is "better" doesn't really make sense outside of some specific metric, like which one is clearly on some subject, or whatever.
     
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    My guess would be Muslims - Kind of like how Christians revere the NT more than the Old .. the Koran is like the NT of Islam
     
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    they are all middle eastern myths, no one better than any other, they all believe in the exact same God
     
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    I would not go as far to say one myth is not better than the other .. I find some far more entertaining and instructive than others . but thats just me. Also .. while in theory they all worship the God of Abe - not sure any of them do .. as the God of Abe is not YHWH ..

    but -Ishmael parted ways prior to Moses- so perhaps they worship "EL - Enlil " Chief God of the "Middle Eastern" pantheon .. Most High, Creator, Father .. and the various other epiphets that YHWH and other Sons of God(s_ who usurped his position on Earth - to become head of the divine council .. .. although in 900 AD - round Solomon's time .. El is still the big cheese as per Psalm 82.
    https://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/psa82.pdf

    but I don't think this is the case.. curious though how Islam traces heritage back - and to what God ?
     

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