What The Liberal-Left Does Not Understand About Trump

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  1. LangleyMan

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    Anyone who thinks Trump is anything other than pond scum is denying reality.

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    Probably would have been easier to title the thread "what the Liberal-Left does understand about Trump".

    Simple answer- nothing.
     
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    in the USA

    Private business is NOT a democracy...and should never be

    Government business IS a democracy ..and should always be

    this is why it is difficult for private business owners that get into politics to be successful in here the USA...

    lets guess what countries businessmen are successful when transferring to politics ..
     
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    There is some truth in that, "the liberal-left", independent's, to the core AmeriCANs, American patriots ...
    ... no one that believes in Government that gets it's authority from the people will ever understand how someone that has benifitted so much, even if it was obtained through fraud, could disgrace himself by undermining the very foundations of OUR Nation. No true American understands TRAITOR tRump.

    Our nation is governed by it's people, not perfectly, but always. It has stood the test of time, the trials of plague, of war, of treason and, most recently, insurrection. And still it Stands!

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  5. impermanence

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    So you think you are going to save everybody? This reminds me of a radio ad I've heard in SoCal [teacher union?] that has a woman saying [and I paraphrase], "...and why can't we save every child?"

    This is delusional thinking financed by somebody else's money.
     
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    Is there any greater waste of money in this country than propping up public schools which peaked in the 1950's.
     
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    When he ran the country america and the world was better off.

    Sorry but as predicted, Biden's a ****ing disaster
     
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    Communism isn't even real. It's your fake bogeyman these days. It's a dumb idea that was never going to happen on the scale of a country. If you mean socialism, there are some specific instances in which the government can do a better job than the free market, but not all or even most things. Most things do best with regulated capitalism.

    Strawman. People aren't advocating for that, and it doesn't normally happen. What liberals do generally advocate for is to leave healthcare between doctors and patients.
     
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    When TRAITOR tRump ran "the country" America (proper nouns are capitalized) and the rest of the world were forced to live his daily lies of alternative facts.

    The only reason to be sorry is you're wrong.

    "Other countries have a much more positive perception of the United States now that Joe Biden is in office ... international opinion has rebounded significantly from the historic lows it hit under Donald Trump."
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemima...-changed-from-trump-to-biden/?sh=461cec411dbd

    "In fact, the US economy is growing — fast. For most workers, the past two years have been especially favorable, with roughly two positions available for every job seeker. Inflation, while still painfully high, is cooling. Real wages, adjusted for inflation, are finally on the rise."
    https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/24/business/gop-debate-economy-biden/index.html
     
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    Fun fact. There was no war in Ukraine when trump was president!
     
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    I don't think it is a globalist view. But in China, they do have that problem where education, much like American football here, is treated in awe. Parents in China literally do everything to help their child get into the best schools. Some parents even take the test for their children, among other things. But now, their economy, which used to dwell in the double digits of growth for a long time, has a major problem with its recent college and high school graduates, "No one wants them as much" because their economy has shrunk to the low single digits, like 6%. And they can't blame immigrants because they don't have that many, 3 million total foreigners compared to a total population of over a billion. They have modernized their farming, they have modernized their factories, and they have modernized their housing as well where western toilets are becoming more and more popular. China has built huge cities in an effort to get most of its population from rural areas to urban areas and we see that everywhere in China nowadays. And it has gotten expensive in places like Shanghai, Beijing, Guangzhou, and other tier 1 metro areas in China. And Japan has the reverse problem. It has an aging population, and a shrinking population, but it also has the conception that education is tantamount to success no matter what that success means. You have to go to college to be a train conductor in Japan for instance in the same way you go to college to become an engineer or an accountant or any other professional job. Even artists, called Mangas in Japan, go to college for this type of stuff and are employed in some of the largest Japanese Anime and computer game companies in Japan. And when you have the job, the expectation is to perform that job perfectly. But Japan has one of the highest rates of suicides among children and adults if they don't succeed. And yet, suicide is not viewed the same way here, as a loss. It is viewed as saving face, and honorable, which means the country does everything they can to try to minimize suicides. And they have the second highest in adoptions, which is with adult male children to continue the family legacy of the business. But here, we treat education more as an afterthought nationally and involve too much politics in how we treat our teachers and our curriculum. And it is no wonder why our education is failing. It is not the "left" or the "right" that we need to focus on in how our education is presented, but the fact that we fail our students and try to manipulate the numbers for those successes is why we are far behind compared to the rest of the world. And we expect everyone will go to college to become something like Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos or Michael Dell. But at the same time, we have had a problem in our past denying higher education because of the color of one's skin. And yet, high school and college football is supreme with stadiums that even make fans of premier soccer leagues in Europe blush.

    It is a noble idea, but the fact is not everyone is cut out to be a surgeon, an accountant, or even a top-level business manager. In most professional fields, the education is just the first step. The other steps are the networking that you must do, showing your charisma, having original ideas, and so forth is what constitutes success in business, not where you went to school. And if you have rich parents to pass along their business to you, then by all means that is a definite plus as well. If you look at entrepreneurship in this country, about 12% to 14% are immigrants, nmore than half are minorities either women or people of color or both. And all entrepreneurs must be willing to take the risk day in and day out. Most don't succeed, not even the first time, but they will succeed eventually and have the laws to protect them and their personal assets such as bankruptcy. But that is here.
     
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    And yet she has evidence to show that trump probably committed crimes per the indictment. The grand jury is the one who voted for those things, not Fanni Willis though.
     
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    Fun ... er fact. Putin, TRAITOR tRump's buddy, started the war in Ukraine. But, what's one more change of subject more or less when YOU don't have an argument.
     
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    Yes, the left told us that, even had their vendetta and his impeachment planned before he was elected, so we pretty well know we can depend on their integrity and honor.
    At least, you think you can, and apparently believe all the crap they tell you and don't question it.

    So you replace him with the most corrupt president in history, and they tell you the nation is better now...... You believe that too, don't you?
     
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    Putin would have never invaded Ukraine had trump been re elected.

    So alllll the negative side effects from the war? Ya. That's on biden
     
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    That's made up RW fantasy; cite that.
     
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    TRAITOR tRump would have just handed Putin the key's, destroying any faith our allies had in us.
     
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    So. Not only liberal left.
    The op misleads.
     
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    You know, in the past, half the world wanted nothing to do with us because they were part of the Communist Bloc and not our side. But much of the world want to do trade with us, but they don't want the type of trade that Trump is proposing though, and that is what they are worried about. And far more will not want to do anything with us, even our long standing allies if Trump is reelected again.

    Border has always been a "mess" since the 1970s. this is new to you? And it was still a mess when Trump was in office.

    Economy is mixed. We have positive GDP growth, we still have a tight labor market, and we are dealing with supply chain disruptions. It is not perfect, but it is not a mess either.

    We are not inching towards WW3 at all. Even Zelensky acknowledged that the Allies do not want him crossing the Russian border once they drove out all the Russian forces from Ukrainian territory. Putin is just flaming the flames but nothing much else.

    Historically, crime is down. It is just getting reported in the news more and more for those clickbait internet spots, which in turn creates advertising revenue for the media, which in turn creates profits for the company. But since you want facts, try this site which says, "This snapshot suggests that levels of nearly all offenses are lower or have changed little, in the first six months of 2023 compared with the same period in 2022, the only exception is motor vehicle theft which is up significantly, homicides are down in the first half of 2023 compared to 2022 nationally, and aggravated assaults, residential robberies, nonresidential robberies, and larcenies all decreased in the first half of 2023 compared to 2022. Those stats prove your assertion is flat-out wrong on all counts.
     
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    That's a terrible response to the list of things you asked for.
    Perverted even.
     
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    So you have nothing but bs talking points.
    Got some real data to back up those conspiracy theories?

    Or are y'all f'd up and insecure.

    We were also going to a civil war when there was a black skin president v
     
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    He's a narcissist if the 1st degree.
    He cares about nothing or no one. But himself.
    Nothing further to know.
     
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    The world was a mess when trump was in office.
    We lost standing in the world.
    Cept with Putin and Kim jong on.

    He sold out American soldiers in Afghanistan.
    Reduced troops without providing cover to leave.
     
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    So you are wrong claiming kangaroo courts.
    Everyone knew that already.
    Now you are informed as well.
     
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    The government is not the nation- the people are, and the government works for US. They are our EMPLOYEES, we fund their paychecks and everything they do.
    They are Fiduciaries- and that means they have specific legal obligations to the people. Their job is to conduct the business of government in accordance with those duties.

    The question isn't if businessmen should be president- it's why the government presidents can't use the principles of successful business leadership to run the nation's business efficiently. It's not a question of turning government into a business so much as making it WORK.

    Blending government with the concept of democracy is not difficult, but it's not the same situation- employees are NOT in charge of the company they work for, and the heads of such organizations are responsible for the results. Employment democracy isn't the same as citizens democracy, because the conduct required is agreed to and specified in contracts. There is serious work to be done, and serious obligations- their duty is to serve the people with every decision, with complete honesty and complete transparency, and much more. That's not just a good idea, it's legal obligation and duty.

    In case you don't understand what "transparency" means as applies to government- it means they don't hide things from the voters.

    John F Kennedy was assassinated in 1962. 60 years later- The government is still refusing to release all the investigative files, despite repeatedly promising to for many years.

    Things like that should tell you they do things that they don't ever want you to know about.

    So ask yourself- why they would want to do things like that. It's hardly national security now, and most of the people involved in any way are dead. What's left to hide from you?
    How many other things things are being hidden right now that would cause outrage if they were known?

    The values of Democracy give the citizens who employ those in government the right to know what they are doing. If anything, the responsibility of public offices such as the president or ongress is far greater than that of the CEO's of the largest corporations.
     
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