What They Told Us: Reviewing Last Week’s Key Polls

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  1. ronv

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    There are not a lot of people showing up for asylum. Most come for work. If you don't believe that look at what happened during the crash when jobs were scarce. If we weren't running around the country arresting grandma that's been here for 20 years we could easily handle them. Only about 25% actually get asylum.
    I think we need more BP at the check points and you need enough to catch them if your going to put up a smart fence.

    No I mean smart fence. As opposed to a dumb fence. Smart fence means more actually caught.

    Most just make up a SS number or other false documents. E Verify would catch this.

    But while your fixing stuff you might as well fix that as well. It's also a chip in the compromise. :)

    Yep, it's a 9/11 size problem.

    Do you have any ideas that would actually work? Because business will never let reform pass without some solution. Whenever someone says this I have a mental picture of the Germans rounding up the Jews and putting them on the death trains.

    Trade you one for a dreamer.

    We need to make it easier for workers to return home in the off seasons and then return. The goal being to reduce your off the books labor and put it on the books instead.
     
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    I was questioning your post.
    Border Patrol agent on the ground at the border, doing real enforcement for a living, don't see it as you do. Should give you pause.

    What part of the plan don't the BP agents like?
     
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    I realize that. But if you get caught coming in to work and if you know you can stay (at least temporarily) if you ask for asylum, what are you going to do.

    Anyway I don't really care what they want. I want a Ferrari. (Do I get one, since I want it and all?)

    It is a crime to cross the border without inspection. It's "only" a misdemeanor, yes, but so is DWI, theft, and even assault. Read 8 USC 1325.
     
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    Yes. Caught ... and released.
     
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    Okay. We're done. Goodbye.
     
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    Does this mean you don't like stricter boarder enforcement but only Trumps wall?
    To think I though you might actually be looking for a solution. Silly me. Your a Trumper.
     
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    Public opinion is shifting dramatically as this subject is pushed front and center. Trump is responsible for that and I agree he should keep up the good work.
     
  8. Josephwalker

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    It may come to that and Trump would likely win in the supreme Court as he has with virtually all these shopped for by democrats judges decisions in the lower court. Problem is it would be this time next year before we got that decision.
     
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    You do realize where barriers have been installed it reduced crossings by 95% don't you?
     
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    And there's a reason no one was asking for thousands of miles of barriers when they passed the secure fence act. You put them up around populated areas because that's where they are effective. The idiot trump's wet dream of a wall across the entire southern border is a horrible waste of funds.
     
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    wrong, joseph said 'will' not 'has'...
    also those 'images' are old, as in dont include data since the shutdown...
     
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    So you think the Five billion Trump is asking for is to fund a wall along the entire border?
     
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    The 5 billion he's asking for won't build sh*t.
     
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    First leftist I've heard that says Trump's not asking for enough and I agree but five billion will strengthen sub standard areas of existing fence and add additional pedestrian barriers to sections that currently only have vehicle barriers so I'll take it.
     
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    I'm not a leftists, but anyone paying attention at all knows that 5 bil won't come close to building the kind of wall trump promised. I'm indifferent though because Mexico is going to be compelled to write a check for it.
     
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    how do you get the conclusion from 45% is opposed to opposition is down to 54%
     
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    Obviously it won't build the wall Trump promised and he has compromised with democrats down to a bare minimum that no reasonable person can argue with but Chuck and Nancy are intransigent on the issue and won't give an inch. Meanwhile rank and file democrats such as yourself fall in line with their position and reduce yourselves to mere automatons following programed response directions.
     
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    Seems perfectly clear. Your confusion is?

    "Forty-two percent now support a wall, the highest percentage in ABC/Post polling since Trump first proposed it. Fifty-four percent are opposed".

    As noted, while more still oppose rather than back a wall, support has increased to 42 percent, up from 34 percent a year ago and a previous high of 37 percent in 2017. Opposition, 54 percent, is down from 63 percent a year ago and a previous low of 60 percent two years ago."
     
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    I wonder if those are the same voters who thought there were WMD in Iraq?
     
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    Of course they won't. The entire issue is nothing but a political circle jerk. A 5b wall won't do a gdamn thing to stem the tide of illegal drugs, protect us from terrorists, or significantly stop illegal crossings. And 5 billion is in the noise for all the frivolous spending Washington does.
    I hope the dems win this one simply to deny trump the win. I'm still holding out hope that trump will get primaried.
     
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    Finally an honest answer from one of the minions opposing even nominal upgrades to our border security. Thank you.
     
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    As soon as anyone proposes measures that will do that I will be behind them. Trump could have run on any number of a myriad of actions that would really affect illegal immigration. But he didn't. He chose the most low brow, dumb method in a wall. And then made nonsensical promises about how it was going to be funded.
     
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    Border agents on the ground in overwhelming numbers say walls work and they need more of them. 5.7 billion in new and or improved barriers can only help
     
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    Border agents are political like any other group. The honest one's know it won't help.
     
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    Just because you are so political you would deny border guards what they say they need in order to as you said ,"deny Trump a victory" doesn't mean everyone else is. In fact your honest statement as to your motives makes anything else you say on this subject completely irrelevant and not worth responding to. Have a nice day.
     

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