What was Trump trying to say about windturbines???

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  1. Socratica

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    Quantitative tightening is not a thing... The FOMC merely sets the rate that is close to the neutral rate of interest, which is determined by the demand and supply for savings. It has nothing to do with the stock market. The Fed is only concerned with the stock market only as far as it affects the real economy.
     
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    Well, God chose him to be "presuhdint".

    I wonder why we're punished like that.
     
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    Somebody should educate Dotard about the US Windmill manufacturing industry, which has around 30,000 employees.
     
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    I’m just giving you facts. Those facts are why we have most of the poor people we do. It’s the consequences of choices and actions. It works pretty much the same no matter which country. We import poor people here because we’ve incentivized our poor to prefer not to work.

    I’ve not mentioned crime because it has nothing to do with the original discussion. Crime is often a result of poverty. But most poverty is self inflicted. I don’t know why you keep trying to deflect from that fact.

    As far as personal notes, I was dirt poor for the first half of my life. But you did not make your livelihood on my back. I’m sorry you’ve been convinced of that by people who want to influence your (voting) behavior.

    I’ve been a starting player on both sides of this economic debate and I can tell you one thing with certainty. If someone from any side of the debate is making an appeal to emotion argument you’d best beware as you are almost always being sold a bill of goods. Emotion has no place here except to distract from cold hard realities. In my country, if individuals are willing to avoid the emotional pitfalls and work on the cold hard realities, they can certainly move into the demographic able to invest in the future.
     
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    Investment? Solyndra took a half a billion taxpayers dollars down the tubes with them, quite an investment.
     
  6. WillReadmore

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    What's your point?
     
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    Trump should buy Scotland, sorted !
     
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    No, it doesn't.

    China is certainly not "zero regulations" - they are highly concerned about the pollution they have and are workig hard on solutions to that.

    Plus, we buy a TON of manufactured goods from China as well as other countries less concerned about pollution. Yet, Trump points to windturbine manufacturing as the pollution PROBLEM?? Why?

    Why is Trump campaigning against windturbines and FOR manufacturing AND operating coal fired plants?

    And, how does "fumes" help his argument?
     
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    Throwing money away isn't an investment, it's a waste of my hard earned tax dollars.

    Germany € 0.2671 = $ 0.3624 USD per kWh
    Spain € 0.2013 = $ 0.2731 USD per kWh
    So Cal Edison $ 0.13 per kWh

    http://www.energy.eu/
     
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    Lol.

    Now, you want to set the criteria for which your comparative deflection should be assigned.

    I'll make you a deal. Let's evaluate it verse nuclear.
     
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    Your selling the 'bill of goods ' I never mentioned emotion. The keyword is 'functional' . I'm glad we share a common experience of poverty. I was born in Europe at the end of WW 11 so like you I was born into poverty. I fear you misunderstand and I do not decry your efforts to lift yourself from poverty. The impact of poverty is multifaceted. For instance, homelessness , malnutrition , domestic stress, divorce, custody, shoplifting. drug taking. alcohol, child abuse and so on. I was a probation officer. I was confronted with these tragedies day in and day out and I was devoted to help, but without the 'poor' I'd have been unemployed !!!! Do you get my drift. HsppyNY
     
  12. WillReadmore

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    Nuclear has not been increasing.

    The majority of new electric capacity has come from clean energy, such as wind, not fossil fuel or nuclear.
     
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    No you didn’t mention the word “emotion”. The original argument that I responded to was one of emotion.

    Being a probation officer you are lucky if you have any emotional capital left. :)

    Happy New Year!
     
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    Thanks for your work on one of the more difficult problems we face.

    Few seem to know that almost all those incarcerated will come out. And, it's not easy for those coming out to figure out how to be more "successful" than when they went in.
     
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    Sadly, if someone suggests to greatly reduce or eliminate deficit spending, most Americans will cry like babies! The deficits and debt are such horrific amounts today, and such a critical part of the economy, that both politically and economically, it will be difficult if not impossible to ever mitigate our fiscal recklessness. Politicians on both sides know this which is why most of them never mention deficits and debt. He Who Brings Home The Bacon Keepeth Their Jobs...
     
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    Some investments go bad, some don't. Part of capitalism.

    The wind mill industry in the US is steadily growing, manufacturing, factories, know how and so on.
    30,000 people strong.
    Coal and steel are failing, despite massive government intervention.

    Its not the Chinese which built the wind mills in the US. Its US companies and US factories and US workers and they are a success.
     
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    My point is the 'poor' have little control over society but society has complete control over the poor. Some will make it out of poverty but it's never more than some. Society needs the poor to service 'it's' needs, which are multiple. That EVERY developed society has its own reservoir of poverty is a global coincidence.??
    The ex con is up against it and their success will depend not only on their motivation but on society embracing them. Most don't make it. The poor have been with us since the beginning of civilization and will be there at the end of it.
    Here's something I heard during the enlightenment years. How do you teach an individual to cope with freedom from within the confines of a prison..



     
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    And yet nuclear might be the greenest of all.

    Things that make you go hmmm.
     
  21. WillReadmore

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    It's to OUR benefit that more people succeed - contributing tax dollars, work product and NOT requiring social safetynet services.

    For example, those with a 4 year degree make an average of a million dollars over their career more than those who don't. If we can use some of the taxes from that to invest in more who have poverty parents to attain more education, America can win. More brains, more taxes, less social services. Our economy is moving toward having brains be the new natural resource that is required. And, America has less than 5% of the world supply of brains.

    This isn't even altruism. It doesn't require some moral compass. It's about ensuring American competitiveness. For example, clean energy is a huge new marketplace. And, we've ceded that to China - where they have more patents, more production, more exports, more installatins. We aren't even SECOND!

    I don't know what argument you are attempting to support with your cost of electricity.

    But, I DO know the argument "throw money at it". I don't know what "throwing money away is not an investment" is about. Usually, that's a perjorative used when the actual justification for investment is opposed or unknown.

    Also, I don't know what "Government R&D" refers to in this case.
     
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    That would be great - even greater if we had a method of taking care of the waste.

    You could form a company and build a nuclear facility today. You could make a ton of money just solvig the waste problem, too.
     
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    I agree with your point that with the will and the financial commitment poverty could be tackled. Until someone can explain to me why people are sleeping on the streets of the richest countries in the world and in over 200yrs we have failed to deal with it regardless of how wealthy we've become. I remain pessimistic. We rebuilt post WW11 Europe with its millions upon millions of homeless, unemployed, destitute, stateless men women and children yet we suffer our own destitute because they serve a purpose,. Society has a symbiotic relationship with its poor. The state provides the minimum to maintain the poor sector but that minimum balloons into billions and billions over time and its never-ending. We have spent eye watering sums of money 'confronting' this so it's either been a complete failure or there is another reason.
    Ever studied group dynamics? The phenomenon of the scapegoat is unavoidable. In a small group it's usually an individual , scale up to society size and the scapegoat is promoted to a whole sector. A classic example was Germany and its Jews before the outbreak of war. Every country has its own examples.
    The research & development thing was a response to the suggestion that spending on NASA was not an investment per se. I say its an investment in time, the time it takes to discover brilliance.
     
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    That's why they should be "private" investments instead of the Government playing roulette with our tax dollars.
     

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