What would you do...

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by Nonnie, Dec 27, 2017.

  1. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    You know this statement is not true.
     
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    DoctorWho Well-Known Member

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    No, you are wrong as always.

    Why persecute everyone for the few commiting crimes ?

    In the Ghettos and Minority communities, because it sure is not in upscale white communities, it is large impoverished African American and Latino communities, I witnessed this personally firsthand in N.Y.C., sitting in an unmarked car watching brazen daylight drug sales.

    Rather than waste resources going after innocent people, why not target the Gangs and active Criminals actually murdering and commiting 90% of the Crimes ???
     
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  3. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    A hatred of Freedom?
     
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    BodiSatva Active Member

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    Sure it is...
     
  5. BodiSatva

    BodiSatva Active Member

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    guaranteed a right to have guns in order to maintain a militia.
     
  6. BodiSatva

    BodiSatva Active Member

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    You are not going to teach me anything about this...lol

    This is one step above basic English

    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed

    Means

    the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed so A well regulated Militia (can be maintained as it is) "being" necessary to the security of a free State

    All the gun nut twisting and literally stupid SCOTUS decisions do not alter this.
     
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    BodiSatva Active Member

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    Evolving Constitution... women can vote now. How about that?
     
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    An Taibhse Well-Known Member

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    Sure, and slavery was ended as well by the same means. The FF built a mechanism to modify the Constitution if needed, and more importantly, if ‘We the People’ decided it needed to be changed; the process is prescribed by the amendment process. However many in the LW and among the anti gun types have not pursued the remedy, but have sought everyway possible to by-pass that process through other means because they know they wouldn’t be able to muster the votes in Congress or among the states to get an amendment passed. So, as I an many gun rights advocate have suggested, you want a change in the Constitution changed, go for it, pursue an amendment or a repeal of the 2A.
     
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    Rucker61 Well-Known Member

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    But women are not part of the militia, according to 10 USC 311. Hence, by your logic, they have no right to own a firearm. Period.
     
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    Rucker61 Well-Known Member

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    In Article 1, Section 8, Clause 16, the Constitution says,

    "To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;"

    In basic English this clause specifically enumerates the complete power granted to Congress to organize and arm the militia. The have the unfettered ability to decide who gets to be in the militia, and what arms they can or cannot be armed with. If Congress decides that the militia consists of 20 select individuals armed only with hoplite armor and weapons, that's the law. The Constitution was ratified well before Madison even began writing the Bill of Rights.

    Given this complete power over the arming of the militia, exactly what is protected by the Second Amendment? "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed".

    Congress has the enumerated Constitutional power to infringe the ability of the militia to keep and bear arms through Article 1 Section 8, Clause 16. What right is therefore protected by "the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"?
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    among other things

    you cannot have a militia that actually is effective unless the citizenry is well armed before the militia is called up
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    I have seen this contrarian stuff before =

    tell me how can a right that the founders believed existed since the dawn of time and was not going to be impacted by the creation of the new government, require membership in a government run group to vest? that is a question none of the militia rights advocates (or more relevantly-contrarians or devil's advocates) ever address
     
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    And that still doesn't mean that "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms" is only limited to the use in a militia.

    I'm glad that I was able to clear that up for you.
     
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    Nope. It's your opinion, and you are fully aware it is not supported by fact.
     
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    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    Why do you continue to make statements you know are false?
     
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    Mostly because you refuse to learn.
     
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    Category 4, perhaps.
     
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    Evolving Constitution... they have every right.
     
  19. BodiSatva

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    Exactly the point... thank you.
     
  20. BodiSatva

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    If you were a good teacher that was knowledgable you would not find students laughing at your premise...
     
  21. BodiSatva

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    I never said it was only limited... <Mod Edit>
     
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    Because they combined the rights... as is common sense.
     
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    That is the point. Thank you.
     
  24. Texan

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    I served with women, both active duty and in the Texas Air National Guard. Their service isn't compulsory, but they do serve.
     
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  25. Rucker61

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    That's a sufficient but not necessary condition.
     
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