What's Trump gonna do?

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  1. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    do u trust the KGB?
     
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    I criticize people on the internet. Especially if they voted for the Skankipotimus knowing what they knew about the Clinton Mafia. Personally, myself, I don't care if Putin sat in a basement himself and hacked the DNC (which I think a US 5th grader did anyway). The wicked witch is dead forever in American politics. Halleluah! :clapping::flagus:
     
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    Locke/erasmusjefferson New Member

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    navigator2 , did Hillary commit a crime? Please, if she did, provide some evidence.
     
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    FAW Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    On what are you basing this conclusion, and by what measure is it "fair" ?
     
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    Locke/erasmusjefferson New Member

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    FAW , Trump owes Putin too much. And he hasn't called Putin out for his invasion of Crimea.
     
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    The KGB has been defunct for more than two decades. I think it's time you started living in the 21st century.
     
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    Hedgology Well-Known Member

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    If the Iraq War, Domestic Spying Programs, and involvements in Chile, Indonesia, Guatemala, etc are anything to go by, I don't see how any rational thinking person wouldn't doubt them.
     
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    Locke/erasmusjefferson New Member

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    Yes, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't worry about the idea of Trump being a Putin puppet. It seems pretty likely, to me.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    KGB was recreated by Putin.
     
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    Hedgology Well-Known Member

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    The fact that you're more worried about Trump being a puppet of a foreign leader as opposed to being at war with said foreign leader is revealing.
     
  11. Locke/erasmusjefferson

    Locke/erasmusjefferson New Member

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    Hedgology , Why do you assume I want a war? I want Russia and Trump to be held accountable, but war? That's insane. No one ever claimed, or implied, that war with Russia is positive.
     
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    Words haven't been invented to describe how inept you sound.

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    If you want them held accountable for actions they have not done, especially when there is no evidence of such actions, you will get war.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    do not attack me again.

    thanks
     
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    Locke/erasmusjefferson New Member

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    Hedgology , What? An investigation of Trump leading to war with Russia? That makes very little sense. Speaking of which, do you support Trump?
     
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    I'm attacking your words; they're making you sound inept. I didn't say you were inept.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    of course he does
     
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    Locke/erasmusjefferson New Member

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    Ronstar , I honestly doubt it. I think he doesnt really care about what he's debating about.
     
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    Oh really? :roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol:
     
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    How long have you lived in the US? And do you have regular internet access? Do you have one clue about the Clinton Foundation?
     
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    Hedgology Well-Known Member

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    The conclusions of the investigation, based on faulty evidence, and the actions throughout, potentially could lead to war. Again, with Iraq, Indonesia, and other CIA involvements.
     
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    Lets assume that it is 100% certain that Putin leaked the Podesta emails to WikiLeaks. What is the result of that action? It is literally impossible to quantify. What is the result of Comey saying that he found some potential new evidence in the Clinton investigation just days before the election ? It is literally impossible to quantify. It seems to me like if I were trying to compare those two actions, I would tend to say that the Comey announcement had an immediate effect in the polls, and the drip drip of the WikiLeaks information never seemed to manifest itself into a quantifiable change in polling. I would look at that information and conclude that it is far more likely that the Comey announcement had a much larger impact. Admittedly though, that is merely a guess, because in this situation, it is impossible to quantify the impact of either action.

    Even if Putins actions CLEARLY were the impetus that allowed Trump to win, that in no way dictates that Putin therefore "will control the presidency". In fact that is ridiculous hyperbole. When you add in the reality that his actions are unquantifiable, the conclusion that he therefore will control the presidency, has entered the realm of the absurd. You can say that Putin helped Trump, but then again, so did Sean Hannity. So did Newt Gingrich. So did Chris Kristie. So did Mike Huckabee. They all played a role in legitimizing his candidacy. Their help in no way means that they therefore "will control the presidency", and in truth, none of them will have any impact upon how he leads. To conclude that Putin will somehow be in control for his unquantifiable assistance is truthfully about as silly as it gets. You aren't doing your "side" any favors by engaging in such nonsensical fear mongering.




    On a side note, you are supposed to hit "reply with quote" at the bottom of the post to which you are responding. This will let that person know that you responded to them, and eliminates the need to say their name at the beginning of your response.
     
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    Locke/erasmusjefferson New Member

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    Hedgology , So Trump shouldn't be held accountable? No justice? Really, America is too smart to want a war with Russia. An investigation of Trump would lead to impeachment, but we wouldn't attack Russia for it.
     
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    There is no evidence linking Trump to Russia; nor evidence Russia was involved in hacking. I don't know what you think anyone should be held accountable for.
     
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    Locke/erasmusjefferson New Member

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    Thanks for that tip. But I still see it possible that Putin could manipulate Trump; Trump has so far hesitated to call out Russia, and has called for an alliance, which wouldn't be that bad, if Putin didn't have an advantage. Putin has the ability to dispose almost anyone. Trump could be the next victim, if Putin wanted him to be.
     

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