When does one gain person-hood?

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  1. prometeus

    prometeus Banned

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    Except of course Roe is not law. So much for your understanding of this.
     
  2. Whaler17

    Whaler17 Well-Known Member

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    :laughing:

    You just get more and more ridiculous as time goes on.

    Look up the term "case law".
     
  3. prometeus

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    You are grasping at straws now, no doubt out of desperation. Well, at least you are making an effort. Next thing you know, one of these days it will produce and intelligent and relevant post.
     
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    http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Case+Law


    I'll make it easy, all you have to do is get somebody to read it to you.

    "case law n. reported decisions of appeals courts and other courts which make new interpretations of the law and, therefore, can be cited as precedents. These interpretations are distinguished from "statutory law" which is the statutes and codes (laws) enacted by legislative bodies, "regulatory law" which is regulations required by agencies based on statutes, and in some states, the Common Law, which is the generally accepted law carried down from England. The rulings in trials and hearings which are not appealed and not reported are not case law and, therefore, not precedent or new interpretations. Law students principally study case law to understand the application of law to facts and learn the courts' subsequent interpretations of statutes. (See: case system, "
     
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    Your obfuscation does not not hide your initial error or the desperate attempt to hide it.
    You were NOT referring to case law and should have the integrity to admit the mistake. Your pathetic attempt to equate statutes, laws passed by the legislative branch with case laws that apply only to court proceedings is disingenuous in the least.
     
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    The best short answer I can give is that a newborn is a unit of the concept "man" and rights are derived from man's nature but this probably will not satisfy you. Further debate is anticipated. Perhaps a separate thread?
     
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    Prometeus, Prometeus, Prometeus, that was a (*)(*)(*)(*) poor attempt to wiggle out from under your idiotic assertion. :no:
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You just made his point. Laws are in conflict with themselves.

    The fact that something is a law is not an argument for the humanity of the zygote. It is merely an appeal to authority.
     
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    It is not the foundation of my argument either, as you well know.
     
  10. prometeus

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    So more inane to create the mask for your inability. Too bad, it shines like a supernova and your attempts at diversion will not overcome that.
     
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    ALL American law, as it is based on the constitution with is based on illogical ethics (mostly).
     
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    Just to liven things up, I believe it would be nice if we could have legal abortion through the 73rd trimester, which be when the fetus reached the age of 18. I recall many times when my kids were growing up, that it would been great to abort them especially around years 2, 4, 13, and 17.
     
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    How I yearn for the days when abortion was illegal, I miss going to the funerals of all the young women (between the ages of 11 and 50) that died from illegal abortions with drugs, stairs, fists and clothes hangers (I am sure that today the internet can supply young women with hundreds of ways to kill themselves in an illegal abortion). I dearly loved listening to the weeping parents and friends, that through their idiotic moral values had forced those young women into such acts---ahhhhhhhhh, "the good old days".
     
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    American law is based on bigoted ideas, stupidity, reason, logic, and prejudice. Our laws are seldom based on the Constitution. Our laws SHOULD, however, meet the constitutions definition of legality. Many do not and for those it may take another two hundred years to get them changed, if America lasts that long.
     
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    Wow if I never read another post by you, the extreme pessimism in that post screams liberal Democrat!
     
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    Many people are alive today because the law did not allow tem to be snuffed out in the womb. So it was the good ole days!
     
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    How so? ???????
     
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    Criminalizing abortion has never saved a single life. Decriminalizing abortion has saved the lives of many women. The law cannot stop a single abortion.
     
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    Women who have also gone on to have multiple children after their abortions as well, because believe it or not lifers, women who have had abortions do often go on to have children afterwards.
     
  21. Whaler17

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    They must get really depressed when they realize what they did.
     
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    They don't. They feel relief.
     
  23. Whaler17

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    No they don't they get depressed. See how easy it is to make allegations?
     
  24. prometeus

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    Oh we know that you an make them. We also know that you can never support them. Care to try now?
     
  25. Whaler17

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    Well punkin, neither can you or granny without resporting to pro abortion propaganda sites!
     
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