Where's my Baby Daddy?

Discussion in 'Race Relations' started by edna kawabata, Oct 28, 2023.

  1. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    It is already proven you are simply in denial. I can't help you with that.
    The attempt to make every social problem a component of poverty is dishonest. Its socialist misanthropic nonsense. Crime drives poverty
     
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    Again, they are tracking only legal marriages here. How many of these births are to couples living together long term, but never obtaining that legal status? Are they being counted as as if the woman is a single mom? What about same sex couples? Are their marriages and kids born into them being counted?
     
  3. edna kawabata

    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    It seems you rely on right-wing myths without thinking them through.
    The OP is about the increase in unmarried births after the introduction of contraception. Something easily measured. You want to know how many are unmarried couples (long term, short term, on and off again) or no couple at all. That would be a difficult number to obtain and fuzzy if you got one.
     
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    The Welfare State interrupted their natural progress, and sent them into a tailspin in which many may never recover.
     
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    The welfare state has reduced the negative consequences of dysfunctional behavior among those with low IQ's. The growing complexity of our economy and technology reduce the positive consequences of responsible behavior among those with low IQ's. Computer technology and automation are eliminating the better paying jobs that can be learned by those of below average intelligence.
     
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    Social Darwinism yeah!!
     
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    Actually it hasn't. It's removed the father from the black family, so now his influence has been reduced or eliminated.......................as planned. Blacks were doing too well for some.
     
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  8. Polydectes

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    Opinion noted
     
  9. edna kawabata

    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    Opinion? No, reality must be different in Kekistan. It is "proven" that "in the 50s and before black housholds stayed together more than white households". No it isn't, but you are free to do so.

    I've much repeated right-wingers have difficulty with ambiguity, things are either black or white. Saying I make poverty the cause of "every" social problem is ridiculous. Even if I did how would that be socialist or misanthropic?

    "Crime drives poverty"? More right-wing black or white thinking without thinking things through. Are people in poverty criminals? Does disability, lack of education or employment drive poverty at all? Certainly crime does contribute to poverty for some individuals. I work at a food bank and they are nice people who are, as a population, more frequently victims of crime but crime has not gotten them where they are.
     
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    I don't believe you. All I have to suggest that it's fact is your word and you don't have any credibility.
     
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    I think I have demonstrated how credible your right-wing myths and "facts" are.
     
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    A woman can remove a condom without the wearer realizing it immediately.

    Very simple: if you can't feed it, don't breed it.

    Mandatory long-term sterilization to collect welfare. Pregnant on welfare, Mom gets a tubal ligation, Dad gets a vasectomy. Cash payments for sterilization and abortions.
     
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    TRENDS IN ILLEGITIMACY Alice J. Clague and Stephanie J. Ventura, Division of Vital Statistics

    In 1940 the illegitimacy rate for non white women [in the United States] was 35.6, about 10 times greater than the rate of 3.6 for white women. During the 1940’s the rate rose more rapidly for non white women than for white. By 1950 the rate for the former was 71.2,and that for the latter was 6.1.Since then the rise has been slightly more rapid for white women. Although the nonwhite rate for 1950 was about 12 times higher than the white rate,by 1965 this color differential (expressed as the ratio of the nonwhite to the white measure)had declined to slightly over 8 times as high.In that year 9.8 percent of the unmarried nonwhite women and 1.2 per cent of the unmarried white women had an illegitimate child.

    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/series/sr_21/sr21_015.pdf
     
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    To whom yourself with your hardly and unbiased audience.

    When you coming to something with a preconceived notion it's hard to say that you've demonstrated your credibility for anybody.

    But go on living in your fantasy world it's easier than the truth I understand
     
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    You can either eat or be sterilized, what will it be? I assume then, you are okay with the orange sociopath's increasingly fascist rhetoric.

    Yes, I already related to him that Black households in the 50s were less stable than whites and your numbers prove it. Poverty does not help to stabilize households and I pointed out earlier in 1940 87% of Blacks lived in poverty and by 1960 nearly 50% still lived in poverty.

    See above.
     
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    Why not do the kind thing - the compassionate thing? Make LARCs accessible and affordable? Run education programs on contraception because, judging by the idiotic ideas floated on this forum the knowledge surrounding contraception is abysmal.
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    This is just one provider and one that the right has been trying to close down for years. Here is a thought - why not fund them properly and watch the abortion rate plummet
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    Wtf?? That PDF was 1965!!! It bloody near older than me! What the freak is it supposed to prove? That you haven’t found the “tools” bar on google yet? That there was implicit bias even in government stats?
     
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    I posted the comment to refute the assertion that during the 1950's blacks tended to have more stable families than whites. That was not true. It has never been true.
     
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    Trump has some good ideas. I hate him because he cut taxes for the rich and because of his personality and character. He is not presidential. He lacks gravitas.

    I am in favor of sterilizing unmarried welfare mothers and their illegitimate children.
     
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    You still have no credibility.
     
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    As I said there was an acknowledged implicit bias in government statistics. How many were living as “common law” couples due to poverty? How many had been barred from marriage due to racial differences?
    https://scholars.org/brief/why-has-marriage-declined-among-black-americans
     
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    Maybe you'll get your wish of forced sterilization of welfare mothers and their illegitimate children by voting for Trump.

    Another excellent counterargument.
    Per the OP....."The left's favorite reason for out of wedlock births is lack of marriageable mates due to joblessness and lack of education, but it has been estimated that reasoning accounts for between 3% and 20% of the decline in marriage rates."
    Agreed, less poverty and less systemic racism would certainly help the marriageability of Black males, but there is a larger trend away from marriage. Are men in France less marriageable than they ever were?
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    Why not ?

    As a straight male I see no problem with the west being converted to islam. I'd happily welcome it's good old fashioned ideology.

    Perhaps it's the shake up we need to fix the problem with have in the west.
     
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    It's not a counter argument it's a statement of fact. In order to have a counter argument you need to be arguing something.

    So for all you've done is brainlessly insist.
     
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