Which is more barbaric, ISIS's boiling people alive or Jesus' boiling people alive?

lol wow. No I will not say untruths. I already said Christianity has had its dark moments, but I will not pretend Islam and Christianity are exact equals to appease the PC gods.

 

You could say thank goodness christians existed to fight off the muslims. Look at nations with majority christians, look at nations with majority muslims and you tell me who you wish won the (*)(*)(*)(*) fight. Keep ignoring Muslims non stop 1400 year slaughter that shows not an end in sight.

 

You can't condemn ISIS and Jesus seeing that people get boiled alive, can you? Sure, you can try to make political points, but the underlying act by ISIS/Jesus seems perfectly fine with you, apparently?

I'm not a Dem, by the way.

 

Great post.
Yes, the OP has no hatred....the only hatred is those (ISIS/Jesus) who would set up a system where people get boiled alive! ISIS/Jesus are two peas in a pod.

We are at war.....but I'm talking about an IDEOLOGICAL war.....a war that says that it's ok to have people boiled alive (where is Christians/Muslims' humanity!?) We must win this war. Jesus must lose, for the sake of love and humanity. What part of "boiling alive" is loving, I ask you? Too bad Jesus isn't real, or he'd have come down and told us that the Bible is just too barbaric to be believed/admired.

 

After over 100 posts on this thread it's INCREDIBLE to me to see just how many people effectively to try basically defend ISIS/Jesus for their approval of boiling people alive. We've lost our humanity, I'm afraid to say. You'd think that ISIS/Jesus approving of boiling people alive would be condemned by everyone.....I see how Hitler was able to get away with his atrocities now - people have a hard time standing up to evil.

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Yes, the politician's political/diplomatic/military solution has been a dismal failure in ending this war once and for all....only an ideological solution can do that. No one said that would be easy.

 

I don't know who is telling you such things, but they are easily deceiving you. Jesus does exist, we will be judged by Him, He is the king of kings and lord of lords. We battle against spirits. They are from within you. You have accepted the spirit that opposes Jesus, the giver of everlasting life, and chose the one that is the giver of everlasting torment. It is of your choice, nobody else. It doesn't matter what we believe, the truth is the truth, it is only with faith you can see that. The parables of which Jesus spoke, they are to hide the word from those who side with the fallen one. They will not see the signs of Jesus return, and if they do, they will not believe they are signs of His return, even thought they are written. The four horseman, the one that carries the balances, he is already riding. The balances represent the worlds currency, which have completely fallen in some parts of the world, and is shortly to happen here. You can't pay back 120 trillion dollars. If we paid one dollar every second, for just six trillion dollars, it would take 189,276 years, again for just six trillion. The owners of the world, the bankers, Rothschilds, Rockerfeller's, Morgan's, their reign is over, the monetary system has failed. All they are doing now is making it worse by dumping in massive amounts of printed money to try and hold back the immanent collapse. It's rigged and failing. There are wars and rumors of wars, this is also written. Earthquakes in divers places, this can only happen in our day of technology. In Jesus day, if an earthquake happened in China, they would never know. Today you can witness the earthquake in real time, from anywhere in the world, hints diverse places. Mother nature catastrophes happen more frequently and with much more intensity and destruction. Nations are coming to a point where they must either make peace or go to war (the Bibles 7 year peace treaty with Israel, will necessarily require all nations to have peace). That peace will only actually last for 3.5 years. And than destruction will occur. It is written that man's tongue will melt in their mouths, and their eyes in their places. What is it you think that is?

 

We all have to die, thus there is no punishment in dying since we all have to do it. What your saying is those who murder, rape, or do the most evil things imaginable, will simply get away with it, how can just dying be their punishment if we all have to die? A person such as Hitler, in your eyes receives no more punishment, than one who is kind, giving, and remembered for love. How does that make sense to you, and if that's the way it is, why doesn't everybody do what they want, steal, lie, murder, rape, after all those are no worse according to you than being kind?

 

I am saying no such thing.

I am saying there is no god to judge anyone.

Yes sometimes evil people get away with it and that is simply reality. Sometimes we bring justice to them while they are still alive.

Rather than hiding behind some farcical ancient collectio0n of myth try dealing with the real world

 

I never seen a man cry, until I seen that man die.
Death has a way with us all. When one sees it's coming, they are an entirely different person in their hearts. Even those who know them, will see this. And of course there are those who can pull it off even at death. Pull off what? Pull off keeping their ego until death. A diagnosis of terminal cancer will change just about anybody, in their hearts.

 

Jesus doesn't torture anybody. They choose to have the torture, the choice of life is also there.

 

Jeffery Dahmer and John Wayne Gacy weren't exact equals, either. You missed the point.

 

actually those 2 have a good bit in common. You would have been a bit better with Gacy and Gein.

But still , Islam takes the cake when it comes to psychosis and constant slaughter of everyone. Christianity can't even be placed on the same level, especially now days.

 

Horse(*)(*)(*)(*).

Men cry all the time few on their death beds. Most people who are dying learn to accept it and many do so without religious BS.

 

We're not really discussing followers or even behavior, we're discussing the sacred texts. One says behead, the other says stone to death, and the OP brings up the searing heat of Revelations. That's what we're talking about. Both are barbarically evil.

 

Gosh, I guess I don't just have people "telling" me things, I guess I read them for myself, decide for myself, and don't need, for example, ancient goat herders who didn't know where the sun went at night to tell me how the world works.

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Yes, Jesus/Allah/Mohammad are all evil.

 

You don't have to have people tell you how the earth works huh? How do you know how it works, where are your books of astronomy? Did you not read what others have wrote, and merely took there word for how the world works? AHHH.......... you did didn't you!!!!

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It's an old quote man, I used it for an analogy of what death does to an individual that knows death is near.

 

When Hindus, Christians, Atheists, Muslims, etc. all put on their SCIENCE HATS, then they AGREE on stuff (the earth is over 4 billion years old, and not 6000 years old like Jesus believed - or he'd have corrected that, obviously). But the Bible doesn't agree with, say, the Hindu RELIGIOUS (as opposed to science) texts, or the Muslim religious texts, etc. Science brings people together, religion only served to divide people ("no, my god is real!", "no, MY god is the real one!", etc.) We can agree on science regardless of religion, but we can't agree on religion, as religions are mutually exclusive. This will be the last century that the majority of the world's population is religious.

 

In the Bible it's called the great falling away. It is written that this will happen......Coincidence?

satan went out to deceive the entire world. Through science, he most definitely did.

Scientists will tell politicians that life does not begin at the cell, if they are paid enough. Yet if those same scientists found those same cells on another planet, they would claim they have found life. Hypocrites!!! They told us we live on a ball, the heliocentric model is based completely off gravity. They don't have any idea what causes gravity. Thus the foundation of their model, is weak. Your observations and senses, will tell you the earth is motionless, and flat. If you was to never learn about the heliocentric model, and somebody asked you what you thought the earth's shape is, you would tell them flat. You have to have what you been taught to think its a ball, which water does not stick to a ball. They got you on your first day of school, you probably seen the globe somewhere in the classroom and asked what it was, and the teacher said that's what we live on. You had no knowledge at that age to argue against it, thus you believed it, and why should you not of?

Your standing on the beach looking out at the horizon (horizon short for horizontal), and start to see a ship disappearing over the horizon, it is said that it is going over the curvature of the earth, yet when looking all around the ship, the horizon is flat. That distance on the beach to the horizon, where the ship goes over the curve, that distance is doubled when looking to the right of the ship, and then the left. Yet there is no curve with a distance that is doubled.

 

peddle your sh*t to someone who gives a cr*p. your sorry attempt to compare the everyday actions of flesh and blood people with the allegorical mythos of divine judgement is the same schoolyard garbage that idiots have been trying to sell since before you were wetting your nappies.

 

You realize in all those groups of people you have listed, there is evil. Many have claimed to be Christian that was far from it. Wolves in sheep's clothing. They figured out they could not rule the world by spilling blood, and learned they could by control education, and the way in which the world is perceived. You get your education from those of high council, if they position each other atop all the categories of education, they will control the world. For together as one, they could teach anything, because everyone within those of high council, agrees on matters.

In America, a secret society has done this among all areas of our everyday life. From education, to politicians, president's, healthcare, automotive, internet, monetary system, everything you can think of, has been infiltrated by the same secret society, America is gone.

It was said, America would never be taken from afar. But treason from within, would take down any country. Even mind control has worked on the population for them. Getting every man woman and child to worship at the altar of consumerism. People don't care of other people, they care of themselves and their material possessions. This is advertisement, brainwashing. Putting out something for the public, and then a poor version of it, and a rich version as well. Creating an attitude that wants to set themselves apart from the less fortunate, as opposed to helping them.

Do you give money to those holding the sign on the street corners?

 

"Who gives a cr*p"!? It's time to wake up and realize that we are in the longest war in US history, with no end in sight, no plan to end the war, and the enemy desperately wants to nuke us....and FAITH is driving their ideology. The myths are what are driving our enemy to seek 72 virgins by blowing us up, and institute God's Law world-wide! You haven't read Qur'an 9:29, or 9:5, obviously. Most people BELIEVE those religious myths, and so they are delusional....and I care about the human mind, and about truth, and science.

 

undertheice, do you SEE from the above how much work we have to do to get people to see reality!? He's well-intended, and a nice guy, but he (and he is entitled to his opinion) THINKS THE EARTH IS FLAT, just like the Bible teaches. The all-knowing/all-caring Jesus thought the world was flat or of course he would have been quick to correct that atrocious error (if he cared for and loved humanity like he claimed, of course.) So belief in Jesus needs to be replaced with something better.

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Can you condemn Christians for being perfectly fine with your mother (if she is/was not a Christian) being boiled alive (just like ISIS) in Jesus' Auschwitz ("hell")? I can, as a Modern Secular Humanist. What say you?

 

You really are no different than an extremist. Don't you see that? You want to dictate how other people think.

 

Not at all, I believe in religious freedom - I value the first amendment. Mohammad said to kill those who leave their Islamic faith, and didn't advocate democracy.He also had critics of his killed (or at least approved of said killings), so unlike me, he wanted to "dictate how other people think", like you wrongly claim I do. Can we agree that my position is better for the world than Mohammad's position?

Can we also agree that threatening after-life torture (like Revelation does) for not thinking a certain way ("Jesus is my savior") is definitely a desire to "dictate how other people think"? So Jesus is far worse than I am. Can we agree, tealwings? Seems reasonable, no?

 

If its done by force...yes. If you don't believe in any afterlife in the first place, Im not sure why it would bother you.
If you are forcing yourself to live a certain way or believe in something than obviously you need to either find out why, or change it/you/whatever...that can apply to anything.

Honestly I don't think you are a bad person at all, but no...Jesus is not far worse than you. We cant agree.