Which way does the radical left want it

How subjective of an opinion. For the first time in eight years I am once again proud of my POTUS. Borders have meaning. When will you acknowledge we need sanctuary cities for other crimes against our laws.....say for instance, looting and stealing?

 

If the laws are currently against women....they really should be against the abortionists!

 

Another liberals are poopy heads and completely made up idea of what liberals are and stand for. Seems to be par for the course for many conservatives. They can't argue what liberals actually stand for, so they make up these stupid scenarios.

And calling liberals hypocrites? Since Bush, through Obama, and now Trump, nobody has displayed more incredible hypocrisy than the right.

Criticize Bush and the Iraq invasion, you are anti american, terrorist sympathizer. No problem with the huge debt he incrued (and look, liberals were right about Iraq, it was a disaster just as anybody with intelligence could have told you).No problems with spending> if you don't like it, leave the country

Then Obama, non-stop attack from the day he was elected until even today when he is out of office. All based on complete lies, nothing substantial. Republicans blocking everything, even things that they previous pushed in the past. Suddenly spending was so horrible. It's patriotic to bash the president, call him names. All based on fake news galore, internet blogs, obvious garbage websites. No more "if you don't like it, leave the country"

Then Trump, highlighting the biggest hypocrisy of them all. The holier than thou moral right elects a man who grabs vaginas, openly admits he treats women badly, has multiple wives, cheated on his wives. Mention his words, his actions, oh, fake news (from reputable news organizations). Anybody criticizing him should just deal with it.

Sorry conservatives, don't deflect on liberals, you have the market cornered on hypocrisy. You're moral superiority card has been revoked. You're calling liberals hypocrites card has been revoked. You have outed yourselves to be nothing but dishonest, partisan hacks.

Apologies to the rational conservatives out there, I don't want to lump you in with the more vocal extremists. For the most part, you are not that much different from liberals, rational, but with just a different take on some things.

 

Not my ox.

 

That's still against women. Putting the law between women and health care is the problematic aspect - regardless of exactly who you decide to punish.

 

I'm against the abortionist that snips the lifeline of a beating heart. It's not his body!

 

I understand that.

But, not everyone agrees with you on that.

What all Americans DO agree with you is that it would be good to have fewer abortions.

And, one can take a look at other countries on this - abortion stats, laws on abortion, etc.

What one finds is that there are other approaches that work.

 

Of course I do realize that not everyone agrees with me. If no one speaks out for the defenseless....what then?

 

I speak for the defenseless, too.

The difference isn't that you speak out for the defenseless, it's that you speak out for laws against women.

As I pointed out, we actually share an objective. The PROBLEM is that you insist on approaching that goal using methods that are NOT acceptable.

You are attempting to put the police force over and above women's personal beliefs and their health care.

Sorry. That technique earns you my dedicated opposition.

If you wanted to focus more on the objective and abandon your wrong headed solution, then we could work together to lower the abortion rate.

 

We do share common ground. Here's where it ends. I view those victims of abortion as both little boys and girls. The little girls if allowed to grow turn into women. In that, I have great concern for women. In the past, I have helped to shut down abortion clinics. In doing that, the ending of human life was forestalled by a few days. It gave women some time to rethink their decision. In doing so, I and others spent a little time in jail. Yes, the "police" were used by the law to end our efforts. So you continue along with the rest of society and give your endorsement for the ending of human life, in spite of sharing some of my own convictions. I no longer shut down abortion clinics. Came to the realization that there is a point where hardened human hearts will never change. Instead, I work with young kids and try to instill in them how valuable they are. How valuable life is. That the act of intercourse is not a party game but has the potential to bring forth life.....and that is sacred. We don't ever end it for convenience and our society may one day again recognize those values.

 

Well, it's good to see that you're choosing to be legal, of course.

And, education is certainly one point where we can work on reducing the abortion rate.

That should include talking about the implications and responsibilities of bringing a new life into this world. But, it also includes the idea that being pregnant isn't the end of one's own education. It isn't such a life changing event that it becomes a requirement to find a way out - abortion.

I tend to believe there are elements in our society that encourage abortion. Exclusion from education, from opportunity, from friendship, etc., loss of confidence in being able to provide care, the concept that pregnancy is failure and a sign of moral deprecation.

There are many facts of our society that push women toward a decision that abortion is a necessary step in order to be found acceptable, in order to become a welcome and fully capable part of society, etc.

 

Life isn't about "convenience". You can't end a life because it is inconvenient. One big fact that encourages abortion is..... the large numbers that are doing it and the fact there are so many that are so outspoken that it is an absolute "right" of a women and her doctor that performs it.