White homeowner accused of shooting Black teen who went to the wrong house in KC will face felonies

Completely false. Fingerprints on a door do not establish a reasonable basis of fear all it shows is he touched the door maybe to open it to ring the door bell. For it to establish a relevant basis from which to determine reasonable justification to shoot there would need to be forced entry with a crow bar, breaking the window to the glass door, screaming threats.

 

I am saying your question is racist and your comments above indicate you deny or are oblivious to the fact that your statements above are racist .

You exploit the Lester gun shooting as a pretext to advance an ethnic stereotype in which you seek to justify the racial stereotype that blacks are more likely to be criminals which in turn reasonably justifies shooting them if they come to one's door.

Thanks now your agenda is quite clear. You not the person you responded to makes this about race and in particular that you believe its justified to be afraid of and shoot blacks when they come to your door.

Unfortunately your stereotype is well shared.

" In experiments where African American and white individuals perform the same act, respondents have reported that the black figure is more threatening than the white figure.[1] Likewise, in surveys asking about fear of strangers in hypothetical situations, respondents are more fearful of being victimized by black strangers than by white strangers.[2]"

1. Duncan, Birt (1976). "Differential social perception and attribution of intergroup violence: Testing the lower limits of stereotyping of Blacks". Journal of Personality and Social Psychology. 34 (4): 590–598. doi:10.1037/0022-3514.34.4.590. PMID 993976.
2. St. John, Craig (1995). "Fear of Black strangers". Social Science Research. 24 (3): 262–280. doi:10.1006/ssre.1995.1010.

Arguing blacks are more likely to be criminals so its reasonable for a white person to shoot them if they come to the door makes no logical sense because while 57 percent of crimes involving white victims were committed by white perpetrators, only 15 percent were committed by blacks, and 11 percent by Hispanics.

"In fact black crime victims fell along similar racial lines, with 63 percent of the crimes committed by black perpetrators, while 11 percent were committed by whites, and 6.6 percent by Hispanics....

This is consistent with previously collected data, including a National Crime Victim Survey in 2000 that showed that 73 percent of white violent crime victims were attacked by whites, and 80 percent of black victims were targeted by blacks. This pattern is even clearer in the category of murder." 3

3-source: https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch...-black-crime-rates-take-another-hit-bjs-study

 

Which lends to the statement of the defendant.

I am not assuming anything nor claiming to know what happened at the door in those few seconds. I am stating the evidence, which is sorely lacking, and the law and what the prosecutor will be facing. The law depends on the the perception of the person who fired the shot. The stories of the two people involved conflict. A conviction must be beyond a reasonable doubt not just what you want to happen.

No. I am in no position to do so anymore than you are to convict Lester of murder.

Why are you conflating this with a pizza delivery, did I miss the part where Lester had ordered a pizza? And here where I live you don't open a door to a house whose occupants are strangers to you. You ring the bell and knock on the door even an outside door. And we also have laws that solicitors cannot knock on a door after sunset so one would be apprehensive of an unknown knock or right waking you up out of your sleep late at night.

 

Which lends to the statement of the defendent.

The storm/security door was locked he was attempting to speak with and identify the person by opening the inner door behind the locked storm/security door.


River Forest Police Offer Safety Tips If A Solicitor Comes To Your Door

• Always keep doors and windows locked. Storm doors or security doors are helpful when dealing with solicitors because you can see and speak safely through the door.

Lester says when he did the person was attempting an unlawful entry through it.

 

Yes it is in a self defense what the person perceived is key to the assertion and how the law treats it.

 

It can certainly be a factor and having been awoken out of a sleep. It will all be a factor in the trial.

 

Nope. It must remain within reason. The word is right there to be found in the law. And that's where you lost the argument.

 

If the guy is going to be so dumb that he is going to change his testimony from I feared for my life due to the kids rather not so significant size to "I just woke up"... than indeed. That's going to a factor.

But not a happy one.



And I add, this is at least the 3rd time you're altering what the guy unreasonably perceived, for the sake to support the idea that a grown white dude gets to blow the brains out of a lil black kid. There is an obvious agenda behind this.

 

The issue here is not "IS HE GUILTY". The issue here is "WOULD HE BE GUILTY IF THE RACES WERE REVERSED" and we all know thats a BIG FAT NO!
If anything, the articles would read "Black Hero defends property against evil white devil supremacist".

 

We all know that? Please source a poll about it.
Thank you.

 

I don't need to source it. Its common knowledge the left celebrated a HUGE BLACK MAN gunning down a 90lb soaking wet female trespasser at Jan 6th and he was celebrated as a hero.
Are you kidding me?
This stuff is so common it doesn't even need to be sourced.

 

If Ralph was there to rob Lester he would have already known the door was locked being that he said he had to wait a long time for Lester to answer the door so it's extremely reasonable to believe that a wannabe robber had already tried the handle on the storm door.
That said, it's reasonable to believe that the wannabe robber would not have pulled on the handle when a person opened the main door knowing already that it was locked.
Yarl said he didn't pull on the storm door.

 

Why would he change his story? I have not changed a thing. He had gone to bed are you denying that?

 

As in someone trying to force open a locked outer door, an attempt unlawful entry late at right.

 

Emphasis mine. This is entirely false. These things mentioned would be sufficient, but none of them are necessary, to form the reasonable perception of an attempted home invasion.

 

And how does attempting to open a storm door to knock (which Girl Scouts and Mormons do all of the time) prove that someone is attempting a home invasion?

 

Why is acknowledging the fact it is far more likely that a black male has committed a crime or will commit a crime than any other group and especially violent crime?

 

As we've discussed previously in this thread, when its the dead of night it ain't girl scouts or mormons. Which little girls are knockin on your door at night lot protein?

Also as discussed: We keep ours locked, and I've already provided you the various door bell/knock and then kick door instances.
You complained about them. Loudly. Go back and watch the tapes again.

 

Trying to open a storm door is either attempting a home invasion or it isn't, regardless of time of days. This person did not try to kickdown any door. Go back and check your facts.

 

What's wrong? Not girl scouts now? Tell me what girl scouts knock on your door at 10pm lot protein. The FBI wants to know.

You don't have to wait for them to kick it down, as stated a reasonable person can be freaked out by an apparently grown ass man trying to open their door at night.

 

The claim was that attempting to open a storm door is forced entry. Please read the thread. There was nothing reasonable at this shooting. According to your logic, if someone rings my doorbell at 10:00pm, I can just immediately shoot them, no questions asked.

 

No one I know or post with celebrated Babbitt's death.
Many people saw an angry determined gal with a sense of entitlement who during a riot thought she was invincible and did the stupidest thing imaginable because it lined up with her batshit conspiracy beliefs.
Claiming that Babbitt was just a "trespasser" when security footage shows otherwise is disingenuous.

 

Your right, she wasn't just a trespasser, she was an UNARMED trespasser and the left grave danced all over her with the attitude of "well thats what you get for supporting trump"
Sorry, too many threads and gloating about it to EVER walk it back. Its in history forever now.

 

A violent mob had broken into the Capitol chanting for the death of Pence and threatening lawmakers. Non-lethal means hadn't worked. She was breaching the final barrier with that same mob behind her. They were a few feet from the lawmakers. She was verbally warned that the officer had a gun. When I first saw the video and thought that the officer had shot through the door, I said it wasn't justified. When I saw better footage and what actually happened, I'm sorry, but it was justified. ANY conservative would call this shooting justified if it had happened at someone's home.

 

We seriously cannot be, as a country, at a place in our evolution where if you accidentally pull into the wrong driveway or knock on the wrong door, that you can be shot and killed, and have the shooter be justified in a court of law.

I know that “fear sells” but our political discourse is driving these killings. The black kid who knocked on the door and is shot and killed by the geriatric white homeowner, for the right, he was “stand your ground” justified. But Ashley Babbit literally breaking a window to get into the Capital building is some martyr of law enforcement overreach.

There was a 22yo woman who was with some friends in a car on a country road who turned up a driveway, thinking they were at the right house, who was shot and killed by the homeowner who shot at the car FROM HIS PORCH over 50 yards away.

This is all because we have politicians screaming that the 2nd amendment is not just a right to have a gun, but a right to USE a gun. Now this isnt just about the gun, but the right for both of these shooters to have that gun. You cant tell me that someone’s so scared in his own house, that they would shoot thru the door t someone knocking

These people should not have guns !!! Period….END OF SENTENCE. How do we keep these people from buying guns, and how do we take away their guns when they reach that point. Should we require evaluations of people who want to purchase guns, or should we just keep allowing innocent people to be killed because some on the right feel the second amendment is omnipotent and absolute ?