Re demographics watch someone who has made in depth researches. Caroline Glick dares clarify Israel's status vs the Arabs and Great Britain VIDEO http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yx_ML5oCtMU&feature=c4-overview&list=UU37YEqjkoOcx5y2WjiuEsvQ Caroline Glick is the deputy managing editor of The Jerusalem Post. She is also the Senior Fellow for Middle East Affairs of the Washington, D.C.-based Center for Security, graduated from Columbia College of Columbia University in 1991 with a Bachelor of Arts in Political Science. She worked in the IDF's Judge Advocate General division during the First Intifada in 1992, and while there edited and co-authored an IDF-published book, Israel, the Intifada and the Rule of Law. Following the Oslo Accords, she worked as coordinator of negotiations with the Palestinian Authority. She retired from the military with the rank of captain at the end of 1996. She also served as assistant foreign policy advisor to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
The West Bank is Arab Palestine and will become an Arab State. Or Israel will annex the West Bank and Israel will be 40% Arab and in a generation lose its Arab majority.
(continued) Unrefuted perpetrators of invasions so far: 1) Israel invaded non-Israeli territory in early-1948 2) Israel invaded Egypt in October 1956 3) Israel invaded Jordan on 13 November 1966 4) In April 1967 Israel invaded Syria 5) In June 1967 Israel invaded Egypt Let us now turn to the Yom Kippur war. 6) The Arab countries invaded Israel in October 1973 But before we leave the Yom Kippur war of 1973, let us take a look at how it came about: # The Israeli claim is that in the immediate aftermath of the 6-Day war of 1967, Israel made a peace offer to Arab leaders. This is a blatant corruption of historical fact. No such offer was ever made to any Arab leader. Sure, the Knesset voted in favour of such an offer. Sure the intention was made known to the USA, but in secret see the official Israeli archives here - http://www.archives.gov.il/ArchiveGov_Eng/Publications/ElectronicPirsum/SixDayWar/ : Of course no positive answer was received from Arab nations. How could there be one when they never received any Israeli offer. # In 1971 Anwar Sadat, Prime Minister of Egypt made Israel an offer (via the UN Intermediary Gunnar Jarring) to conduct peace negotiations based on UN Security Council resolution 242. Israel rejected the offer responding that it would not withdraw to the pre-June 5, 1967 lines. # In February 1973 Sadat made another peace offer - http://jch.sagepub.com/content/41/3/545.abstract So, Borat, after the Israeli rejection of two peace offers a coalition of Arab states attacked Israel in October 1973. So the score so far for the initiation of major invasions since 1948 is 5-1 in favour of Israel, and even the 1 is of dubious value as is shown above.
… (continued) … Unrefuted perpetrators of invasions so far: 1) Israel invaded non-Israeli territory in early-1948 2) Israel invaded Egypt in October 1956 3) Israel invaded Jordan on 13 November 1966 4) In April 1967 Israel invaded Syria 5) In June 1967 Israel invaded Egypt 6) The Arab countries invaded Israel in October 1973 On 6 June 1982 Israel invaded Lebanon ….. fact. The standard Israeli justification is – http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/Lebanon_War.html [nods to DrewBedson re breaking of ceasefires] This is one of the Zionist Mega-Myths. No …. In fact it is a blatant lie. The PLO faithfully observed the ceasefire during those 11 months. Begin lied to the Knesset and to the ‘Murkins about that, because this ex-terrorist leader needed an excuse to let Butcher Sharon loose on southern Lebanon in further pursuit of Eretz Yisrael. Therefore … 7) Israel invaded Lebanon in June 1982 The score "in favour of" Israel is now 6-1 (and the "1" is dubious)
You have made on unsubstantiated claim, DB. Let us test it. Do you refute my example 7 in which I claim that the PLO observed the July 1981 ceasefire but that Israel broke that ceasefire by invading Lebanon in June 1982, going on to slaughter 20 000+ people? An utterly gross example of Israeli mega-aggression if I am correct.
In 1961 Erskine Childers cautioned that all Zionist claims as to the "truth" should be checked. Let us do so again. That brief uncommented reference by DB was meant to show us that over 11 months the PLO repeatedly broke the ceasefire. Well, the date of the NYT piece was July 27, 1981, a few days after the ceasefire started, AND NOT 11 months later when Israel invaded Lebanon. In fact DB's post shows that the PLO was intent on observing the ceasefire. The peice shows them condemning a rogue faction. So DB, was that the best that you could do to justify Begin's lies almost a year later. If so ..... FAILED!!!! 7) In June 1982 Israel invaded Lebanon, and not the reverse. Begin lied to the Knesset and to the Americans as to his justification. He wanted a reason to send in Butcher Sharon, and the PLO was not co-operating because they were scrupulously observing the ceasefire. The Zionists wriggle on the end of a string trying to disprove this, but on scrutiny, they fail .... yet again.
Your presence on this Forum with all your quasi <correctness> stems from an urge to play upmanship... I grant you that and an extra penalty ball for that reason... But this in reality is irrelevant... we are today in Aug 01, 2013 which is 31 years later... bow wow waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah here is a hanky... As to the <show us> statement... Who died and elected YOU as the <porte parole> of <us>????????????... You cannot shine the shoes of Menahem Begin nor clip his toes nails when he was alive for that purpose!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU FAILED!!!! Once more using <pejorative> to denounce a dead person and another in a coma is a <brilliant> aperture to someone that is scrubbing the bottom of a dust bin looking for something with which to denounce Israel 31 years later... You should be ashamed to insult honorable people this way. We are in 2013 go find fault with the present <Zionist State> today... BTW <Jamal Musalha of Balad party> denounced from the podium another member of the Knesset by saying ~we were here before you and we will be here long after you depart~... Bibi asked for a rebuttal and stated that the first part of the statement is not correct and the second part will never materialize... I suggest you debate present happenings than things that happened 31 years ago... You are behind the time... It dawned on me that 31 years ago you might not even have been born.
I presume that your lack of factual rebuttal means that you agree that the PLO had not broken the ceasefire for 11 months and that Begin lied, which led to the slaughter of 20 000+ people .... ... and your defence of those war crimes is that 31 years have passed and that I might have not been born then, and am an Arab? Is that the entirety of it? Presuming that you have nothing more factual and verifiable to contribute, permit me to hold up a mirror to you ... FAILED!!!
Baloney............. where have you gleaned those figures and second, if they died they had that coming for the outrageous way of lobbing missiles on Israeli civilians... Next time Hizb will be Kabab shishliked in their dungeons.
I would be interested to know what the Lebanese death toll was as taught in Zionist Myths 101 in what Israeli calls Operation Peace for Galilee which went on for 18 years. Where did I get the numbers? How many slaughtered by the Israelis, you ask, HB? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli–Lebanese_conflict : 13 900 to 20 900 - depending on how many civilian deaths are attributed to the invasion, both directly and indirectly (abnormal levels of disease; malnutrition, etc). I include them, just as the Lancet did for the Iraqi death toll.. At the other end of the spectrum we have 27 000+ http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=212235 If one extends the period from 1978 to 2000 http://www.bintjbeil.com/E/occupation.html provides a figure of 30 000. In his book Pity the nation esteemed journalist Robert Fisk offers a personal record of the nature and scale of war crimes summing 23 000 deaths over the entire invasion and occupation period. On page 323 he relates how by mid-August, only 2 months into the 18 year occupation, the death toll had already reached 11 492. And, by the way, Sabra and Shatila were yet to come in mid-September. The IDF shelling of the UN refugee compound at Qana was still 14 years down the road. So pick a figure, HB. Which do you find more palatable and worthy of being swept away from our collective conscience . 13 900 or 27 000+ ?
The above was not the only time within a year that you have been shown your poor understanding of ME history. Here is another case where the 1982 PLO breaking of the ceasefire was BUSTED: http://www.politicalforum.com/lates...irat-refugee-camp-gaza-10.html#post1061695801 (click for source) What an absolute clear case of Israeli aggression. What a nuclear destruction of the claim "Israel does not invade; Israel only retaliates". What an surgical annihilation of the claim that the major invasions were all the result of prior Palestinian aggressions. MYTH BUSTED!!!! ... for the umpteenth time
I decided to pick a figure it is 160,000 deads in Syria... Do you mind writing something on these lovely folks?
Nope. The PLO broke the ceasefire. They can say it was 'rogue' elements but those elements were part of the PLO hence, the PLO broke the ceasefire. NEXT!
I notice that you provide no evidence/reference/support .... just your say-so. That is poor form. Care to fix the lack so that I can apply Erskine Childers' advice from 1961 to your response? NEXT!
So, HB, have you spotted the mega hole in your reasoning? 31 years ago is such a long time as to make it irrelevant today. But 2000 years ago is perfectly topical.
George W. Ball was a known anti Semite like many here who follow his line... You see Klip we are still here and the anti-Semites are buried and long forgotten. Or putting it the other way <the anti-Semites will be buried and long forgotten.> i.e. they were many in the past 2000 years. YEH RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
