Who should determine when mass voter fraud has occurred in a federal election?

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Who should determine when mass voter fraud has occurred in a federal election

  1. The poll officials

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  2. The ballot canvassers

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  3. The federal courts

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  4. The Department of Homeland Security

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  5. The Department of Justice

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  6. All of the above

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  7. The losing candidate's lawyers

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  1. ECA

    ECA Well-Known Member

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    Hahaha...so now you think there was training on how to commit fraud?

    Um...your claim of covered windows is factually wrong and has been debunked already. The windows were covered because people (not voting officials) were harassing the vote counters. The fact that your claim was debunked a while ago and you're still pushing it speaks volumes to how uninformed you are.
     
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    Except that Carone's testimony didn't match voter rolls. Hence why she was not considered a credible witness.
     
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    How can you match voter rolls when during the same hearing Sequentially numbered ballots without a date were being entered into the voter rolls.
     
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    More hearsay?
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Signed affidavit under oath that can be used in court where penalty of lying can be severe.
     
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    People have never lied under oath?
     
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    What you are accusing hundreds of witnesses, regular Americans, is they are all willing to ruin their lives to lie. Defies any sense whatsoever.
     
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    People are very stupid
     
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    Like those dismissing all evidence?
     
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    Hearsay isn't evidence
     
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    So, Democrats are telling real people not to believe our lying eyes. You cherry pick a Dominion contractor who was brought in as a place holder while senior Dominion officials ,,, whose partner left 1 hr before Dominion uploaded a massive number of fraudulent votes, Since you seem to know the contractor, perhaps you also know Dr. Linda Lee Tarver who was a known quantity around the Detroit fraud operation:

     
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    I didn't cherry pick anything. Did you mean to reply to someone else?
     
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    Lawsuits are often won on hearsay.
     
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    MI has already been certified. This is a clown show used to separate people from their money. It's over. But keep giving Donald Trump your money if it makes you happy.
     
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    mitchscove Well-Known Member Donor

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    Debunked by whom? The people outside were Republican poll watchers who were locked out after being sent to lunch. Do you have copies of the affidavits that they were people who were not supposed to be there? That agents of Xi Jingping have refused to cover the hearings speaks volumes to your being controlled by the CCP, just like Beijing Biden.
     
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    Not really. Lawsuits, based on hearsay, can be settled because of one party not wanting to go through years of litigation. Not quite the same thing as winning on the merit of hearsay. I have a friend who just went through this. He was sued based on lies but didn't want the stress of litigating for years so begrudgingly decided to settle.
     
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    You of course have proof these poll workers were locked out? Of course not...because it's fake news. You've been bamboozled by Trump
     
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    Poll observers representing the political parties are not sent to lunch, they go to lunch when they choose to go to lunch. It is true that observers were locked out of a facility in Michigan, but this was in relation to the room exceeding its maximum capacity of 134 people per a party. Both Democrats and Republicans were allowed 134 people each, at one point both parties were over their capacity, at which point observers from both parties were locked out until more people left. However, the claims that either party were locked from having any observers on the floor are inaccurate

    All ballot counting is streamed and archived, so if at any point there were no observers on the floor, this would be visible from the surveillance footage
     
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    Part of the reason why her testimony didn't match the voter rolls is she claimed that the turnout in Detroit was 120% when in fact the actual turnout was only 51%
     
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    anyone that finds it should report it and the courts will decide based on the evidence

    both sides go through these votes with a fine tooth comb every election, they always find some, such as double voting, ect..., but never enough to effect the outcome except in very very close elections
     
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    yep, she was definitely out there, tons of crazy claims, no evidence

    like she saw a van delivering food to poll workers and said it was ballots, but never saw any ballots - these people imagine it's something it's not, then believe it based on nothing, and when they tell us about it, it sounds crazy

    I am surprised Trump even let these people speak to the public, once they speak it's game over, the lie bubble is burst
     
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    The affidavits they've brought forward haven't been any better, they include claims on voter turnout that are easily disproven, one of their affidavits even included a claim of a turnout of over 100% in a Michigan precinct that doesn't even exist.... it's that bad

    I don't think they are expecting to win any of these cases in court, however they still are holding fundraisers which are being used to pay off campaign debts, which I believe is the main purpose of these witnesses they are bringing forward. To get a court to believe a story you need evidence, but to get people who trust you to believe a story, all one needs to do is say it and they will be believed. Which is also all they need to do to raise the funds they need

    Of course I could easily be disproven, all they would have to do is win a case, but I don't expect that to happen, and I don't believe they expect that to happen either.
     
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    As of now, every official review/ruling has been unanimous in saying that there is no evidence of mass voter fraud. These reviews/rulings have come from both Republicans and Democrats, which includes at least one judge who was appointed by Trump himself, and of course the US Attorney General, who was also selected for his office by Trump.

    I want to make one thing perfectly clear, this thread isn't about speculation on voter fraud, it is about who has made an official ruling, or who should be making an official ruling on whether or not mass voter fraud occurred. While speculative discussions are welcome, please at the very least remain somewhat on topic by including in one of your posts what source you believe should be making an official ruling on the subject matter you are posting about (assuming they haven't already made their ruling).
     
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    Why do you need someone to decide if there was fraud? I saw it happen on a video in Georgia. Even without that it is not difficult to see it.
     
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    What fraudulent or illegal acts are you referring to that you saw on video?
     
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