Whoops—We Found 1,666 Ballots

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  1. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    I vote IN PERSON. I have MY ballot handed to ME and the I mark it and I run it through the tabulation machine. I don't rely on the postal service which is not even chartered to be the election mechanism for the country, I don't rely on election officials casting it for me. I cast the ballot. With all the problems in New York and New Jersey now comes this.

    Whoops—We Found 1,666 Ballots
    Once more, New Jersey’s bad example is a lesson for everyone else.


    New Jersey’s July 7 primary is two months in the rearview mirror. But officials in Sussex County, home to 140,000 people in the state’s northern tip,
    announced on Monday that they had discovered 1,666 ballots “in a bin that was mislabeled.” Whoops.

    The local board of elections consulted with New Jersey’s Attorney General about what to do. The wayward ballots were tabulated on Sept. 12. Thankfully, the board said, “the revised count did not change the outcome of any Sussex County primary election in any race for any office.” And if it had?

    Not to seem paranoid, but what if, after a nail-biter in November, a swing state finds “mislabeled” bins? It might seem like the number of fresh ballots would be too few to make a difference nationally, but George W. Bush officially won Florida in 2000 by 537....
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/whoopswe-found-1-666-ballots-11600384516?mod=opinion_lead_pos4

    Yeah, whoops! What if your ballot was included in that and you were disfranchised? The time to count ballots was long passed and the election certified, what then? And let's not forget when the President suggested people check on election day to make sure their ballot had been received he was roundly attacked. AND if the ballots are just tracked by the bar code then the system may indicate to you the ballot was received.

    Yet the Democrats insist we all go to mail in voting with states going to mail in voting ONLY.

    I have voted in person twice this year and will do so again this fall.
     
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    Democrats seem to have a way of finding thousands of ballots in car trunks after election day, see Minnesota Senate elections.
     
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    Isn't that the race that the judge threw out the entire election results?
     
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    I think that one was the Norm Coleman/Al Sharpton where Sharpton won under the most questionable vote counting. A county in New York had the entire election thrown this year because the mail in voting was so screwed up.
     
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    Silence from the pro-mass mail in vote crowd.
     
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    There's no evidence that mail-in ballots are prone to cheating, so that argument can be dismissed out of hand. The first investigation by Trump into voter fraud found no evidence of it, and in court when a Federal judge demanded the Trump Campaign to provide evidence of voter fraud, they admitted they could find no examples of it.

    The above was in another thread. So I guess the argument actually cannot be dismissed out of hand now.
     
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    The panel Trump appointed could not do their job because so many states refused to cooperate and they could not get the proper data. Read the OP 1,666 ballots found that were not counted and there are post after post around here list multiple instances of fraud by mail in and absentee voting. Even the Carter-Baker commission said that absentee and mail voting offer the greatest concerns for fraudulent voting.

    "‘Absentee ballots remain the largest source of potential voter fraud.” That quote isn’t from President Trump, who criticized mail-in voting this week after Wisconsin Democrats tried and failed to change an election at the last minute into an exclusively mail-in affair. It’s the conclusion of the bipartisan 2005 report of the Commission on Federal Election Reform, chaired by former President Jimmy Carter and former Secretary of State James Baker III.

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    There are more recent cases, too. In 2017 an investigation of a Dallas City Council election found some 700 fraudulent mail-in ballots signed by the same witness using a fake name. The discovery left two council races in limbo, and the fraud was much larger than the vote differential in one of those races. The case resulted in a criminal conviction.

    In a 2018 North Carolina congressional race, Republican Mark Harris edged out Democrat Dan McCready by 905 votes. Fortunately, the state had relatively complete absentee-ballot records. Election officials became suspicious when they discovered that the Republican received 61% of mail-in votes, even though registered Republicans accounted for only 19% of those who had requested mail-in ballots.

    A Republican operative, L. McCrae Dowless Jr., had allegedly requested more than 1,200 absentee ballots on voters’ behalf and then collected the ballots from voters’ homes when they were mailed out. Mr. Dowless’s assistants testified that they were directed to forge voters’ signatures and fill in votes. A new election was required, but Mr. Harris didn’t run. Mr. Dowless faces criminal charges for absentee-ballot fraud in both the 2016 and 2018 elections and has pled not guilty.
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/heed-jimmy-carter-on-the-danger-of-mail-in-voting-11586557667

    It's not just fraud it is voter intimidation and as noted above ballots being misplaced and not count either by accident or on purpose.
     
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    Total bullshit. There is no more fraud with mail-in ballots than with in-person voting.
     
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    Can you point me to all these lost and misplaced inperson votes?
     
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    Do I need to 'editorialize' here...?
     
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