Why are Asians so successful in racist America?

IQ is a pseudo-scientific sham that only measures how good a given person is at taking an IQ-test. It does not predict success and certainly does not measure intelligence.

Group averages are, furthermore, completely irrelevant and only people who care about this kind of stuff are racists.

This is about as relevant a study on the average shoe size. It says nothing about the facts of reality and does not explain wealth inequalities.

So what?

Maybe that is the reason why the US army is so insufficient at their job. They prefer to look at group averages rather than hiring the best individuals.

 

What is even does "successful" mean? Most people won't be successful in a Steve Jobs kind of way. Those kind of people are less than 1% of the world population. If someone is say, I don't know, a janitor and perfectly happy with his life and surrounds himself with beauty and pursues his values, why is this to be seen as a tragedy? If 51% of all janitors happen to be of a certain skin colour, why does that matter?

 

Tell that to the democrat academics who make up and administer the IQ tests.

I think it is safe to say that people with an average IQ of 76 are probably not suitable for certain careers like computer processing or chemists.

There are other tests like the fact that almost no inner city blacks in Baltimore can do math at grade level and few read at grade level. What about SAT scores which seem to coincide with IQ tests?

https://www.educationviews.org/13-baltimore-city-high-schools-students-proficient-math/

There is a direct correlation between IQ and income levels. Around the world!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_the_Wealth_of_Nations

The point here is not to be mean spirited but any aware person knows certain people seem to be good at certain things. Jews for example are highly successful in finance. Asians in tech. 51% of Harvard students are Jewish or Asian 2 minority groups which are not even 10% of our population combined.

 

https://www.educationviews.org/13-baltimore-city-high-schools-students-proficient-math/

Very important to repeat this. Baltimore is a city run entirely by democrats! Black democrats in a blue state. So why is it such a horrible failure for blacks? 13 high schools with nobody proficient at math.

Libocrat policies and attitudes are deadly and destructive for blacks!

 

Whoever it is that is administrating them is clearly very unintelligent themselves.

It is not "people" who become programmers and chemists, it is individuals. What particular group they happen to belong to and what that group's average IQ is is completely irrelevant.

Public schooling is a true disaster and cannot teach anyone to read, write or count. So, this is hardly surprising, but to explain it with IQ is just pure garbage.

IQ-tests are bogus.

And that is pseudo-science at best. Do people like Serena Williams, Eminem and Lebron James have high IQs? Highly doubtful, yet they are the most successful people in their respective fields and have more money than any high-IQ-nerd will ever make.

Their genetic lineage has nothing to do with it.

 

Your use of outlier athletes and entertainers as an example of people of normal intelligence who are successful is dumb. The sample size is so small. So Lebron is a legit example but a normal profession like a chemist or computer programmer is not?

You dislike IQ tests because they do not fit your bogus narrative. If somebody does not have the aptitude to be a chemist they should not be one. Duh! People like you would just blame racism for why more blacks are not chemists.

The wonderlic is like a mini 12 minute IQ test that employers use. The nfl uses the wonderlic. A 20 score on the wonderlic is like a 100 IQ. The average chemist scores 31. How many inner city blacks would score 31?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wonderlic_test

 

Intelligent and responsible people adapt to their environment and circumstances. They are not ruled or dominated by them. What we have seen the last 50 years in the inner city is attrition.

Nobody stays in a neighborhood that is a war zone with horrible schools if they can help it. The smarter and more responsible people moved the hell out. Nobody wants to raise a family in places like this. Libocrats call it immoral to do the most obvious and responsible thing. Moving to a better neighborhood, a better environment is racist of you are white and selling out if you are black.

What happens when the smarter, more law abiding and responsible people have all moved out? Who is left? The criminals, the stupid and the lazy. People that are easily manipulated and people that eat libocrat propaganda with a spoon.

Love the criminal and hate the police!
Let millions of poor people from Latin America in to bring down wages.
Be against any kind of school choice.

The decline of our urban neighborhoods has served the democrat party just fine. Not the people who live there.

 

It is only dumb to the person who does not see the point that it illustrates. What is truly and profoundly dumb is to think that IQ has any kind of credibility whatsoever and to think that group averages matter.

Yes, even fewer people reach the level of creme de la creme in sports and entertainment than those who get a diploma in chemistry and sit in a lab all day. The previous category are all dumb as rocks as far as IQ is concerned yet they are highly successful and very wealthy.

If you want to know how good someone is at chemistry you put them in a lab and if you want to know how good somone is at tennis, you hand them a racket. IQ cannot predict anything.

It is even possible to become better at IQ-tests by taking them multiple times.

That is a very nice projection right there. Where did I ever say anything like that?

It is, however, true that those who constantly moan about IQ and constantly feel the need to emphasise group averages and the diffetences between them are driven by racist motives, but since they are cowards they rationalise it by dressing the window in "scientific" curtains.

I do not know and do not see how that matters.

 

Intelligence is among the 7 reasons in my OP as to why Asians are successful in America.

I have yet to read any comment from the slave party members that have tried to argue that blacks are also intelligent or that Asians are not.

The last poster is adamant that successful black athletes and entertainers are in fact stupid. No racism there.

To say that intelligence has nothing to do with being successful is rather, dumb. Of course it does. As always there are exceptions.
https://pumpkinperson.com/2016/02/11/the-incredible-correlation-between-iq-income/

 

I have to argue against this, with passion.

The key .... the absolute key, to any kind of success in any kind of endeavour, is SELF-DISCIPLINE.

The world is full of failed geniuses and very successful average people.

 

That is #7 on my list of the reasons why Asians are successful. In no way did I say it does not matter.

 

Take note that of the 7 reasons I gave for Asian American success the only one attributed to blacks by libocrat posters was hard work. Of course there always a reference towards slavery something that the democrat party supported. The republican party was founded to abolish slavery.

Also in my OP I asked people to add other things one might associate with Asian success or success in general but I do think I did a very good job with those 7.

Of course discipline matters to be academically successful and professionally successful. I'm waiting for somebody to call that racist.

 

It's just money. What flies over are the richest Chinese with a 1 child policy who nurtured their little loved one with private care. They just buy their way into success with tutors, buy their way in high end colleges. You can't compare that to a kid raised up in a shabby neighborhood that goes through metal detectors in highschool getting some lecture from teachers who could not get into a better paid private school. Getting a scholarship is just for the lucky few, but not for the average. While your average foreign rich Chinese just gets muzzled through and doesn't need any kind of scholarship to get years of education at any kind of college. With a far better degree, they end up getting a job offer to get paid massive amounts of money. And so it's easy for their children to do exactly the same.

And them kids know, that their families are investing a fortune in them for their success. That whole "hard work", "high academic expectations" and discipline" doesnt drop from the sky. That is just the financial pressure. You can see that too in Japan, where the pressure of success has become just bizar and people die because of sitting too long behind the desk or people commit suicide. It's a thing there that happens unlike other places, where the competition isn't that fierce.

In the end, it's easier in the US that when you start at a high position on the social economic ladder that you remain there. And when you start at the bottom, that you mostly do not escape from it. It's different in Europe where education is far more equally accessible. Tuition for universities range from being just free if you just qualify to other countries giving cheap loans on not even close to the amounts the universities ask in the US.

 

Self discipline is EVERYTHING. And it's freely available to the poorest and the blackest!

 

All BS, sorry. NE Asian kids do well (usually) no matter how rich their folks are, and whether or not they have private tutoring.

 

So you are saying of an entire culture, who may lack social, economic or educational opportunity or social support, it is their lack of discipline that accounts for their lagging economic advancement.

 

I'm saying ONLY that self-discipline is the key to 'success'. Whether that's the working class person paying off their modest family home by forgoing nice cars and vacations, or a poor kid slamming the books to educate themselves out of poverty, or a small business owner knuckling down on outgoings in order to expand the business, or choosing to say no to self-indulgences in order to save enough money to move to a better area, or moving to a cheaper area so less money is going on rent. All of that is simple self-discipline. It's not some rare talent, only available to the luckiest - it's the simple choice to say 'no' to short term satisfactions, with a view to long term goals.

It might come as a shock to you Edna, but the 16 year old who chooses to recreate with friends instead of hitting the books, is the one with a privilege mindset. The kid with a genuine grasp on his own vulnerability, will make the latter choice.

 

I don't know what group you're referring to here, FTR. Public education (including public academically selective schools .. the ultimate in equality because they select ONLY on merit - your socioeconomic status is irrelevant) are available to all.

Social support is not precluded by poverty. On the contrary, social networks are only trashed by those with a privilege mindset. The world's poorest depend upon very solid and mutually assistive social networks.

 

I think Donald Trump and Jared Kushner would be laughing their asses off at you (that is if they had any self awareness).

 

Is that some kind of whacky concession? Cool.

PS: I have no clue why Trump is involved in this conversation ... but I'm hoping it's because you think I actually like the guy. That would be extra delicious

 

Let me give you a clue...
They are laughing at your "discipline is everything" narrative. Let's start with Trump. His daddy got him out of the draft by paying off a doctor to say he had a medical disability (bone spurs) although he was on the high school baseball and football teams. Then daddy, per witnesses, payed someone to take his college admission tests. He later gave him 413 million dollars to continue the family legacy of shorting contractors, cheating on taxes, discriminating against minorities, hiring undocumented workers, bankruptcies to dodge debt, creating fake universities, using charity donation money for personal use and not to mention a decadent lifestyle (porking porn stars)........and then he became president!!

 

Good luck to them (whoever 'they' are), in that case. They'll need it.

Anyone who thinks self-discipline is optional is entitled beyond comprehension - or six years old.