Why did Einstein call racism "a disease of white people"?

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  1. Esau

    Esau Well-Known Member

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    So you didn't know, well I am surprised.
     
  2. MrNick

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    Point it out....

    Yea, teach me something...

    That is why I told you why I would love to hear your theory on this...

    You only claim that slavery is legal - well prove it...

    Oh yeah, you're just SAYING slavery is legal because it's what you WANT to believe - it suits your anger and your masochism...
     
  3. Esau

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    I don't need to prove anything, its there in writing in the 13th, it states that slavery is allowed, shocking huh, I bet not many ppl knew that. What else is the system hiding I wonder, the fact that they won't allow Brown or black ppl into the g8 summit, or that Muslim atent actually terrorists but freedom fighters, or that westerners actually developed the Ebola virus in a louisianna university?
     
  4. MrNick

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    No you're just making stuff up just to argue...

    You do realize Ebola came from eating diseased monkey meat?

    It's pretty simple - if you don't want Ebola then don't eat monkeys...
     
  5. Egalitarianjay02

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    That's a hilariously false statement considering I know the origins of the concept of IQ and the history of IQ testing.

    By the way you didn't actually refute anything that I said.

    That's a pathetic strawman. Like I said you are born with a genetic potential for intelligence and the quality of your nurturing environment determines whether or not you realize that potential. Are you aware that adopted children can have their IQs boosted 12-18 points higher than the IQ of their biological parents just by being placed in a better nurturing environment. We can't all be as smart as Einstein but a child can have a genetic potential for genius level IQ and end up with an IQ indicative of a person with a developmental disorder because their IQ is stunted by their environment.

    IQ is an abbreviation for Intelligence Quotient, a score that you get on a standardized test designed to assess intelligence.

    Do not take down to me and assume my ignorance of the psychometric literature. I am willing to bet I know far more about IQ testing than you do.


    Actually a person with an IQ of 100 will have extreme difficulty grasping concepts that require advanced intellect which is why some people pass classes that are extremely difficult and some fail them because they don't possess the mental capacity to understand the material. Not everyone can be a doctor or a lawyer or a scientist. A person with an IQ of 140 (the psychometric threshold for genius) has the intelligence to be just about anything they want provided they also have the personality to handle the tasks required by the job (e.g. you can't be lazy and expect to hold a corporate job).

    Mine is even higher than 140 according to ability tests taken at an early age and my own voluntary experience with taking IQ tests. However I don't define my intelligence by a numeric score. A person can assess my intelligence by my knowledge, vocabulary and reasoning skills. I can see from your statements however that your knowledge of IQ and intelligence is limited. The word smart is just a synonym for intelligent. In the psychological literature there are concepts which are factors of general intelligence known as crystallized intelligence and fluid intelligence.

    Crystallized intelligence is the ability to use skills, knowledge and experience. An example of crystallized intelligence is vocabulary and knowledge acquired through experience.

    Fluid intelligence is the capacity to reason and use logic. An example of fluid intelligence is the ability to solve puzzles and problems.

    It is true that someone with a lower IQ can be more knowledgeable on one or many subjects than someone with a higher IQ, thus having greater crystallized intelligence but fluid intelligence is what enables you to grasp very complex subjects. So who is smarter the one with more knowledge or the one with greater reasoning ability? I would argue that it is relative but fluid intelligence is more related to genetic factors.

    Dumb and stupid are just insults but there are indeed smart people who are not very knowledgeable.

    With that discussion out of the way perhaps you can respond to my arguments or concede the point.
     
  6. MrNick

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    You do realize you can't prove anything you said?

    Just like one can't prove smoking causes cancer...

    Every person is unique... You can't say "well I took one kid and put him here and his IQ is 110 and I took this child and put him here and he has an IQ of 95".... You would be assuming ALL kids are born with the same IQ and that has already been proven wrong....

    There are plenty of kids from the ghetto that grew up with nothing, were totally neglected that wen't on to have successful lives..

    There is no real substance to anything you said and now you're just being dense.
     
  7. Egalitarianjay02

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    Name one thing I said that can't be proven. And stop attacking strawmen.
     
  8. Esau

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    It was a hybrid developed and became airborne subsequently, monkeys have been eaten for a thousand years, this was a unique strain developed in America for biowar, that's why the Americans were ON THE GROUND when it began. sometimes the most obvious things are right in front of you, euroamericans have a vivid and prolonged history of brutal and sadistic practice not only on themselves (holocaust , Dresden etc) but on an unparalleled level against non euroamericans (slave trade , Nagasaki, Hiroshima, Congo -not - so - free - state, native Americans thelistgoeson
     
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    Lets see your common denominator....

    Using your logic everyone from a messed up background would be retarded and that isn't true...

    You're trying to argue the more you're nurtured the higher your IQ will be..... Yeah like kids that are retarded (using the word literally since we're talking IQ) aren't loved and nurtured???

    Your whole theory is nonsense...
     
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    Nice theory... AIDS too?

    No, Ebola was proven to be from diseased monkeys then these clowns ate the diseased meat and now ....
     
  11. Egalitarianjay02

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    You're attacking a strawman. I never said that everyone raised in a poor environment grows up to be retarded. People suffering from mental retardation are a statistical outlier. They are rare. There are genetic pathologies that affect intelligence causing disorders and disabilities. I have great sympathy for these people and hope that some day they can find cures for these disadvantages. However the average person is not mentally retarded or disabled. The average person can have their IQ boosted depending on the quality of their nurturing environment. Intelligence is highly heritable, some people are smarter than others and people can have mental strengths and weaknesses. I believe all of that is true. However there is no scientific basis to assume that there are genetic differences related to intelligence between races. You're basically arguing that some races are mentally defective due to genetic ancestry which is a racist notion.

    Negative impacts on environment include: malnutrition, environmental toxicity, stereotype threat and poor education.

    All of these factors play a part in the stunting of Black American IQ. The improvement of the environment in recent decades has resulted in an improvement in IQ. Serious improvement could result in the elimination of the Black-White IQ gap. If you can't see the evidence for this you are just biased and probably racist.
     
  12. Merwen

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    Many Muslims are racist as well; racism has little to do with which race one is; it depends on a person's experiences with other racial groups and what they are taught.

    Only Islam, to my knowledge, of all the major religions still actively teaches bad treatment toward nonbelievers.
     
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    The African influence via Islam came well before the voyage to America.
     
  14. Merwen

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    Its people are no longer all that racist unless agitators deliberately stir up misconceptions about other groups and bad feelings about outdated history.

    That said, IMO someone/s are deliberately stirring up chaos for evil ends that only they will profit from.
     
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    Do you realize how racist that statement is?

    Racism is an equal opportunity offense, and all racial groups are susceptible to such feelings. It comes from mental laziness.
     
  16. Merwen

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    The Japanese are worse.

    IMO any culture that has evolved beyond the tribal level is going to have some feelings of superiority when dealing with people from simpler or more basic social structures and technologies.

    This feeling is often misleading, though. The Chinese actually had a more highly evolved form of organic farming and other earth-sparing methodologies than the West, for example. They even had ceramic stoves that could be slept on in cold weather.
     
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    Please prove that Columbus got the idea for slavery from Muslims. As you well know, slavery predates both Christianity and Islam. Try again.
     
  18. JakeJ

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    This is easy to answer if the question is a fact question, rather than an invitation to again have both sides slinging slogans at each other.

    Einstein was a German Jew who escaped to the USA. His sister did not and was murdered in a holocaust camp. By "white" people racism he meant against Jews. To Einstein, he was not a white person.
     
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    Wrong on so many counts. 1) Both Cortes and Columbus enslaved Native Americans 2) You make the erroneous assumption that Native American only means Native North American 3) Even if you were right, you are forgetting that the Caribbeans are part of North America.

    It doesn't matter, and you are still wrong anyway.

    Read the post you quoted in your response. I'll try again: "Slavery was practiced all over the globe."

    That wasn't the claim that I criticized. I criticized the claim that slavery emanated from Africa and that Europeans didn't think of it themselves, but got the idea from Muslim Africans. Even though, as we both know, European slavery predates Islam.

    And the notion that anyone here is arguing that is equally ludicrous.
     
  20. Merwen

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    That happens now and again where possible. Members of a pygmy group in Africa are often enslaved by a nearby tribe of normal size. Some red ant colonies
    even collect the pupae of black ants and enslave them.

    Really, what I see here is a desperate attempt to justify your own racism.
     
  21. Merwen

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    Columbus came from Italy, a culture that had been influenced by Muslims.

    My take on this imo is as good as yours.
     
  22. Esau

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    except a white cannot be racist to a white and whites are the only tribe that created a franchise out of race based slavery, so you were wrong on both accounts.
     
  23. yardmeat

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    By that logic, Columbus learned to wear clothing from Muslims. And no, your take is not nearly as good because, as has already been pointed out numerous times, slavery predates Islam. Even European slavery predates Islam. Even Italian slavery predates Islam. The idea that Europeans learned the idea of slavery from Islam and/or from Africans is pure fantasy.
     
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    Other faiths too teaches bad treatments to outside of their faiths. Even Christianity and Judaism are hostile to other faiths
     
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    This is a discriminatory idea and blacks are not racist in general and every white is not civilized as well. Change your attitude for equal treatment
     

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