Why do anti gun extremists hate stories about self defense

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  1. Grau

    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm afraid not but I'll read up on him.
    Thanks for the info.
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    It's a she. She , at one time, was a Kennedy Liberal. around 35 or so years ago, she started researching why so many women were buying guns. Well after she researched why, she went 180 degrees. In the early 90s, she was at the range where my wife and I shot. The owner had a ladies night with Ms. Quigley where she signed her book "armed and female" the shop also had some of the Smith and Wesson performance Center Paxton special revolvers. My wife still had the one I bought her that night and was her first carry gun until she became more comfortable packing a SIG auto. Ms. Quigley accepted the facts and became a leading advocate of women being armed
    https://www.amazon.com/Armed-Female-Twelve-Million-American/dp/0312951507
     
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  3. FatBack

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    lol.

    Then why are left-wing prosecutors all over the country turning them out of jail and droves with little to no bond and the left clamoring to abolish the bail system?

    Talk about bizarro claims..... Your's
    just completely ignores reality
     
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    btthegreat Well-Known Member

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    I despise gun huggers who pretend that they are about freedom or public safety. I don't hide why I despise them either. Are you admitting that you want everyone owning and using guns as they see fit, because you only care about you using and owing guns as you see fit, or do you pretend your gun hugging attitudes are based on 'defending liberty' and 'self defense'

    See I can give you the same false choices, the same overismplifyed regurgitations, that you can give me. This thread not about an having an honest discussion. Its about you labeling me. That's what the OP was about, and that is what this exchange is about.

    You do this again, and so will I!
     
  5. dairyair

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    If the norm is unarmed people dying, then the world would only be left with armed people.
    But, if the world is so terrible that everyone needs to be armed, then the population would never increase as someone is always killing someone else.

    So, I conclude, most of the world's peoples are not about killing another person.
    I don't remember a time in history where the population decreased. Do you?
     
  6. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    Are those that use the term 'gun banners' also politically and culturally motivated?

    Remember, in the past, you have stated you are for some arms infringements.
     
  7. dairyair

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    Because it's not true. It's another story of conspiracy theories you've fallen for. Yet again.
     
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    People being murdered is not the norm, either armed or unarmed. However, when people are murdered it US the norm that they are unarmed.

    I'm not old enough to remember the great plagues.
     
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    None of which require banning guns.
     
  10. FatBack

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    You sure about that?
     
  11. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    Mostly due to domestic issues.
     
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    Did you provide proof?
     
  13. Rucker61

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    Are you claiming that the majority of homicides are due to domestic issues?
     
  14. FatBack

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    You do read these forums right? There have been multiple threads covering the topic so I'm not going to go and beat a dead horse and spoon feed it all over again.
     
  15. dairyair

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    It was an opinion.
    Finding stats proves to be difficult.

    But this article gives what it views as the top reason. Different from my opinion.

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    Many years ago, as I began investigating high-profile murders in Los Angeles County, I carefully chronicled the motives for every homicide that occurred in our region. You might think there are a million reasons why someone would commit a murder, but there are only three possibilities.

    At least one of these three motives is the driving force behind every homicide, theft, burglary and robbery. In fact, these three motives lie at the heart of every conceivable crime or misdeed.

    Human misbehavior is motivated by: financial greed, sexual – or relational – lust, and the pursuit of power.
    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/why...rs-there-are-only-three-reasons-here-they-are
     
  16. dairyair

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    I got it. As usual, no proof, no link.
    But at least you did show you can't do so.
    But you had another opportunity to provide proof to something you claim.
     
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    Put on your big boy pants and search The forum. I'm sure you even participated in some of the threads yourself.
     
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    They are on.
    And asked for proof of a claim made. You can not do so.
    Put you big boy pants on and provide proof of a claim you make, for once.
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    Thank you for proving my point. Gun huggers do not care about public safety, they care only about themselves, and any attempt to keep guns out of the hands of criminals is "harassment". Great Americans.

    Again with hysterical pearl clutching of the right. They just repeat what they hear in their right-wing echo chamber and never really examine the facts.....
    https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2020/11/17/pretrial-releases/
     
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    because statistics say gun owners are more likely to DIE from guns, and self defense stories are rare, i have been robbed and it happens so fast its virtually impossible to be ready, also i am very interested in guns and watch shooting videos and every video has shooters exclaiming how "fun" they are
     
  21. Turtledude

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    you are telling fibs and making stupid comments. Supporting second amendment rights because one wants to lawfully own guns does not detract from public safety. Gun owners don't lie about their motivations. Gun banners almost always do. They claim their attacks on lawful gun ownership is motivated by a desire to promote public safety, when in reality it is because almost every gun banner-on this board and in the USA, is a left wing activist who sees gun owners as political enemies and in many cases, gun banners loathe the pro gun attitude of independence and self reliance. . Nothing you gun banners suggest has any real chance of keeping guns out of the hands of criminals and you all constantly demonstrate the attitude that you are willing to ban a million honest people from owning guns if it may disarm one inept criminal
     
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    really? do you have proof of that? and what proves the pro gun side right is this: almost everyone whose profession requires them to deal with criminals-be it cops, probation officers, judges, DAs, DEFENSE Attorneys, paralegals who work in DAs offices and criminal defense firms, bail bondsmen etc-are far more likely to own guns in their homes and carry guns when they are not working than the average American.
     
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    Gun control is predicated on the assumption that a woman, raped and strangled with her pantyhose, is somehow morally superior to that same woman explaining to a police officer how the attempted rapist got that hole in his head.
     
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    The studies you cite include criminals in the case group. Find one that only addresses the risk of lawful citizens.

    Population level statistics don't apply to individuals.
     
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    Should we allow the government to ignore the Constitution, Bill of Rights and SCOTUS?
     
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