Why do criminals in other countries obey gun laws?

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  1. Vegas giants

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    The US goes out of its way to ensure it is incredibly easy for felons to get guns
     
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    No I'd point to DC, Baltimore and Chicago.

    The only density that matters is the density of people who want to kill someone else in the local population.
     
  3. Just_a_Citizen

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    I went for a long while violating gun laws after my first Felony conviction.

    Then I got started giving a damn again, got married, & do better more or less obeying them
     
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    There are other countries where the rates are a lot worse than the US too, but they cook the numbers for central america and Africa. I am all for rounding up guns and gun owners, but the illusion that the US is so horrible simply isn't true. We are somewhere in the middle.
     
  5. An Taibhse

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    And do what with the gun owners that are rounded up?
     
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    If they still own guns after guns are outlawed, then do what we do with all other criminals--send them to the big house. In fact, we should take their homes and cars under civil forfeiture laws so they have no little house to return to.
     
  7. An Taibhse

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    And how many lives are you willing to expend to carry out that mission?
     
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    As many as it takes, which will be none on the government side. On the criminal side, who cares. They are low life thugs.
     
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    You have no concept of reality. There are more guns in the hands of citizens in this country than all the armies in the world combined and many LE leaders have already indicated they wouldn't participate in such an unconstitutional activity.

    That is exactly what many gun rights activists not only fear, but would be the type of tyranical act many see the 2A existing to defend against. It would cause a war that would crate a body count greater than is seen now. Yep, no understanding of reality... you'd be better off trying to develop a magic wand.
     
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    We have magic wands. They are called drones. The body count will be completely one sided.
     
  11. An Taibhse

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    Yep, like a lot of others...advocate something as long as others carry it out and not caring about the casualties. Reminds me of the average German citizen when the Nazies began their persecution of the Jews.

    Reminds me of those that will watch, do nothing, complain, and wonder why no one did anything to protect the innocent...
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/27/police-people-watched-gan_n_334975.html

    And, before you ask, I have intervened in such a situation, risking my life and will do so again if needed.
     
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    Tell us more of your dreams of conquest.
     
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    He's working on a book...still looking for a title...Mein...
     
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    I didn't have the heart to tell him what the military would do to a little tin pot dictator that tried it. We'd never have to get off the couch.

    Mattis probably hasn't kabared anyone in a while, I'm sure he'd like first crack at it.
     
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    Those that think people will simply turn over their guns haven't paid attention to the New York and Connecticut bans and the almost non existant compliance despite non compliance penalty being a class D felony... they are still taking their guns to local ranges.
    The police and military are filled with those that have sworn to uphold the Constitution and it will never happen that the 2A will be repealed.
    Then too, the lesson of Northern Ireland have not been learned... a small group with the support of a large portion of the populace held off one of the best equipped armies in the world in an area comprising only 6 counties amid some of the most restrictive gun laws in the world. The population of NI is about 0.02 of the US and the number of gun owners doesn't even register to compare.
     
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    Which would you rather - be punched in the face or shot in the face?

    Here the first is more likely than the second - FAR FAR more likely
     
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    Criminals in Australia apparently are also feeling the cost of times. A Senate inquiry into illicit guns heard last Monday that criminals now share guns and ammunitions because buying their own has gone impractical.

    Prices of semi-automatic handguns, so-called weapons of choice of underworld characters, from a previous price tag of $2,000 to $4,000 have gone up to over $15,000 in the past two years.

    Jason Herbert, NSW Police firearms and organised crime squad's acting Detective Superintendent, told the Senate inquiry criminals nowadays resort to "loaning out" their weapons to other comrades, usually "throughout groups." So instead of buying a brand new, criminals seek other criminals to try to loan their weapons. "If you use it, you pay for it, if you don't use it, you return."

    http://www.ibtimes.com.au/cost-ille...rocketed-criminals-now-do-gun-sharing-1378871

    :p:p:p

     
  18. An Taibhse

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    What has your post have of any relevance to mine?
     
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    Here, too.
     
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    Thanks for the warning.
     
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    Funny thing is Australia is going to begin another gun amnesty turn in this July. Why? Because there are somewhere between 240k and 700k illegal firearms in Australia. Apparently the criminals aren't following the law, go figure.
     
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    The buy back never got all the guns - a lot were buried in back yards - this just gives people the opportunity to get rid of them without reprise

    And you would be surprised how many "criminal" guns will be turned in - but mostly by relatives of the crims
     
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    You might be surprised at how many guns would be turned in if the US government passed a law requiring such a confiscation.
     
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    No gun law proposed would make it harder for felons to get guns. Gun laws only make it harder for law-abiding citizens to get guns.
     
  25. Galileo

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    It certainly doesn't seem to work that way in other countries. A gun owner in England recently posted:
    "So I have guns, and criminals do not. And the events of my life have reinforced this belief. No one has ever pulled a gun back on me. And while I routinely associate with criminals socially, they don't have any guns and I have loads."
     

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