Why Do Muslims Praise Allah?

Yes you did. You said.

What is so hard about understanding that "eternity" is a measurement of time? Its pretty simple.

How does it get into the picture? Are you suggesting that your god determines who is going to have intercourse with who and either create babies or not? A rather odd explanation for a natural biological imperative.

the next life? Can't say I know anything about there being a next life. How do you know about it?

Yes, our conceptions of reality are rooted in our psychology.

Because I am not suffering? A starving child dies of starvation and your declare that he/she can "bear it" - that is appalling.

So you have no clue what the criteria for punishment, forgiveness or reward is. I thought not.

You mean it gets off on prostration and begging? And you claim its "emotions" are not like ours, yet you consistently point out that it behaves oddly similar to a human sociopathic tyrant, just using different criteria.

I agree that this life is a test. A test of our genetics. A test of our ability to learn and apply knowledge. It has both an inescapable beginning and an inescapable end.
I refute the notion that the pious are "composed no matter what strikes him". Unless of course you think that psycho Islamist terrorists who claim piety are composed when they indiscriminately kill the innocent.

Its the "what he pleases" that concerns me. Seems a ridiculous premise given the human experience.

Oh, does it guide Buddhists? Or Taoists? Or Jainists? Or animists? Or Christians? or Jews? or Muslims? at what point does your god leave its creations to their "heedlessness" and perceived contempt?

Yes, it shows that there is no such thing as a void. "nothing" is a perception in this natural universe, not a condition.

In this universe - yes. If there was absolute nothing previously, then something did come from nothing. Can't have it both ways.

 

Sorry, semantically I should have said not scientific debate.

Semantically I should have said lexical semantics. I believe that is semantics.

 

Ahhh... The old changing of the goal posts routine. Woulda/Coulda/Shoulda. but you didn't. So stick with your original statement.

 

Er, I comment referred to your question of why God is eternal. It had nothing to do with physics.

I understand it, but I don't see the point in you raising it up. I am clearly referring to the philosophical implications of eternity.

God created that natural biological imperative, and certainly nothing happens inside the universe outside of God's Will.

Naturally, you're an atheist. I know about it because God has sent revelations and prophets to mankind informing and warning us about it.

No, they are rooted in our level of guidance or lack thereof.

But we all suffer in one form or the other. You can't possibly fathom what starving people go through because of your completely different circumstances. It's like a billionaire not imagining what it's like to make minimum wage. Suffering is relative, and just because you "feel" that the the suffering of some is abnormally and cruelly unbearable does not make it so.

As far as I know, our good and bad deeds are weighed, and the result will determine our place in the next life.

Why is the average atheist incapable of discussing these matters without resorting to petty and derisive ridicule? They all sound like teenagers for some reason.

Of course, no one is perfect, but all one has to do is read upon some pious individuals who truly exhibit the attributes of the believer.

It's not my fault you have such a myopic, hair-splitting, and miserable view of life.

No religion has a monopoly over God. Indeed, God is the Lord of all mankind, and He provides for all mankind- regardless of their belief or disbelief.

That's impossible for me to know, as I don't claim to know what is in the hearts of men.

OK, apparently you don't want to admit that you were wrong (nothing new here).

But of course. Thus, something must have always existed.

 

Why Do Muslims Praise Allah?

Granny says is `cause dey don't realize Jesus is the Messiah...

... `cause dat Ayatollah keeps `em goofy...

... an' not knowin' any better.

 

Mohammed just got this all wrong.

Had he understood that Christ was Truth, itself, personified as an ideal, he would have realized that the father was Reality, then.

We become a part of Reality when we discover Truth and then live in Reality.

Gen. 1:26 And God, (i.e.; Reality), said, (in acknowledgement), Let us, (Truth and Reality, both), make man, (through the process of gradual evolution),.. Let us make man (capable of understanding Reality through the use of Truth), IN OUR IMAGE, (Reality and Truth):
and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

 

Oh? I merely clarified my original statement. Since it serves to refine the communication but doesn't change the intent of the comment I fail to understand why I should "stick" to my original comment verbatim, when your responses to them demonstrated that greater lexical precision was required.

 

Because that is in fact changing the parameters that are definitively established in your original language.

 

You have asked it wrongly, obtusely, bigotedly. If you want to ask it ask genuinely. Why do people praise God (s)? All religious followers, Christians, Hindus, Jews, Muslims praise God, worship God and fear God and want to consider themselves slaves of God. God tyrannic no matter which God you worship. God say I am everything, all power and the son of God too says He represents his father in heaven or Gods in Hinduism say they are incarnations of some powerful, ineffable, unattributable God in Heaven.

If you have not started with Muslims or Allah the discussion would have been far better. I like the question somewhat differently. This provokes opinionated feelings and discrimination.

 

Yes clarification does reduce the parameters. Funny you aren't aware of this rather basic linguistic concept.

 

Then you admit to changing what I was speaking about by changing the parameters?

 

I see the analogy you are trying to make but it does not work.

What does the varieties of plants on the earth and substance abuse have to do with people thinking that God is responsible for the outcome of a football game ?

There is a difference between the idea that some deity had a hand in creating and thinking that this deity continues to have an active role in the most trivial of human endeavors.

 

Did you read my first post? I made it general although it started with a conversation with a Muslim. If you were not such a jump-to-conclusions jerk, you might have gotten a more civil response. Instead you got this one.

 

No, I do not. It was obvious that you did not comprehend what I was saying and required additional clarity. narrowing the parameters to better reflect my position and enhance your grasp, seems to be something you don't like. Odd.

 

I live in a similarly unspoilt part of the world, and do the same sorts of things you do - hiking etc. I also feel the same sense of deep wonder and immense satisfaction when out in the wilderness. It's an intense feeling, quite euphoric and transporting, and I need regular 'fixes' of nature to access this sort of joy. Yet ... I'm an atheist. All of my nature loving friends are atheists, also. We all 'worship' nature in the same way you do. It really doesn't matter what 'lies beneath' the visceral response to it, it's the response we seek - even you. The quality of your - or our - response is not quantified by the name you give some idea of cause.

 

adding a name to your expression of enjoyment doesn't change the quality of the enjoyment. it really doesn't. it's a vanity to think it does. and an even greater vanity to imagine that the quality of your enjoyment is rendered superior by the addition of a name.

 

a deity who demands something from us in return for survival, and threatens us with torture for failure to adhere, is so far from perfect it's not even a tiny bit funny. that's about as imperfect as it gets. even bad parents look good by comparison.

 

so you give this 'perfect' being a pass on pridefulness, I take it? it's interesting to note that theists give passes to their gods hand over fist, but expect humans to do better.

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the denial is strong in this one

 

out of the mouths of babes

for the slow of synapse .... if you're discussing which god is the god - of two, or thousands - clearly there isn't 'only one'.

 

Not sure what religious 'tenants' are ... maybe people who rent churches? Anyway, yes, popes and fundies are Christians. You can pretend to yourself (work than vanity!) that only you and yours have jesus figured out, but if your god is as down with the kids as you suggest he's not going to be impressed by such self-indulgence.

Meantime, your bible teaches hate big time. Your own god despises us so much that he suggests we're terrible and irredeemable (without his magical help, but of course). He backs this hatred up by threatening us with torture for failure to toe his vainglorious party line. Compounds the hatred by selling us a death package, instead of a life package.

 

A serial killer has his own (perfect, to him) reasons for doing what he does. Opacity of motive is actually far worse than transparency, but I can see it's essential to the continued support of a deity who you theists (the sane ones) actually understand isn't a good guy.

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how do you NOT know it?

 

yet, instead of taking this as pretty damned good evidence that no gods were involved in these works, you've elected to believe different sky fairies were responsible.

 

do you mean to ask which deities are claimed to be the creators of everything? if so, there are many thousands. in fact, I claim I am the creator of everything, so it must be true according to your standard (if it's claimed, it must be so).

 

I'm not saying that my response is any more valuable than yours, but I do believe they are very different. Mine is a deep sense of worship for the Creator of such magnificence.

 

yeah, damn those stupid emotions for making us expect kindness and benevolence in the affairs of humans.