Why do we obey the Taliban submissively when we should be FIGHTING?

We have the most powerful military in the world... at least for a little while longer. Why do we not send them to Afghan to save our citizens and our allies? Now!

 

You want to start another war with a militant group who just received alot of hi tech weapons?

 

Some people got together and decided 20 years was long enough to bang our heads against the wall.

 

Giving "tech weapons" to the Taliban is like giving a 3-D printer to a monkey. Did you see their attempt to "fly" a Blackhawk helicopter? It looked like my daughter's first driving lesson.

 

What "High Tech Weapons"?

A few largely outdated US items? Don't make me laugh.

 

Trump negotiated our surrender, both sides do not want to restart the war... that said, I support Biden's approach of unmanned drone attacks

 

If you study history, you will see a very distinct pattern. War doesn't solve anything.

Beyond that, President Biden is still on schedule to get our people, friends, allies and soldiers out. We have a few more days yet.

There is overwhelming approval by the American people to pull out of this and that's why President Trump started the process and President Biden is finishing it. Our brave men and women have given 20 years of their lives to this cause and it's time for them all to come home to their own families and friends.

Our military will be the last people out of Afghanistan. This is to make sure that everyone that has permission to leave has been allowed to leave. You are right. We have the best military in the world. Being brave doesn't just include going into battle very few would face. It also includes knowing when it's time to come home and, if anybody on the planet, can find and escort our citizens and allies that want to leave out of Afghanistan, rest assured it's our military.

Our military are the men and women that protect our freedom in the USA. They are the REASON we all can sleep at night. Please remember that freedom is not free and these are the people that pay that price for all of us.

 

I know this is embarrassing, but we lost the war. They won.

 

Nobody won. Everyone lost. Their country is a mess. The Taliban have a fragile hold and will have to fight ISIS to
keep hold of it. We spent a lot of lives and tax dollars to support a government that the Afghans didn't want (hence, the week
it took to collapse). The only people who got any joy out of it were the Russians and Chinese who watched us waste money and
time that should have been spent positioning us for the next century of progress.

 

I'm pretty sure the Taliban, who are in charge of the country after a 20 year hiatus, feel they won. I'm not sure how this isn't a loss for the US.

 

Will save billions in taxpayer money that was getting flushed down the drain. A pie in the face is better than
being robbed for another 20 years and getting more soldiers killed.

 

And that has zero to do with my comment.

 

You asked how it could not be a loss for the US. I pointed out future benefits of leaving NOW.

 

So we won the war?

OK you go with that then.

 

Did I say that? Hmm. Maybe you could post that for me. I said there were future benefits for leaving NOW. But if you
want to pull things out of your ass, I guess you'll pull things out of your ass.

 

It depends on the reason we went there in the first place. If people can agree on the reason the US was in Afghanistan, if that goal was achieved, then we can also agree on the outcome.

 

What you said was:

That just seems false on it's face. We lost, the Taliban won.

I wasn't talking about benefits of leaving. I supported leaving. We weren't even discussing this.

 

Well if we make up a new reason after the fact I suppose you could turn any defeat into a victory.

 

In the wake of the pull out from the Vietnam war, it was often said that the US did not lose the war, they just gave up.
Well however much that may have been true of the Vietnam conflict, it is infinitely more true about what just happened in Afghanistan.

 

The military never lost a battle in Viet Nam. The war was ended by endless protests on the streets of America. One million protesters came to the grounds of the Washington Monument on "Moratorium Day" 1971.
Our abject surrender in Afghanistan was due to corruption and personal failure on the part of our leaders. Neither the people nor the military wanted to see us so embarrassed.

 

We've already wasted several colonies on mars' worth of resources blowing up tents in Afghanistan. Its time to stop already.

 

As long as one American hides in fear in a basement in Kabul... we have not spent enough time, money, or effort.

 

I don't see Vietnam as quite the parallel that others do to Afghanistan. In Vietnam, we had both a conventional and insurgent enemy and post Tet, the insurgents, were (largely) defeated. The NVA was the force that won that war.

With Afghanistan, we could never beat the insurgents. The best we could do is have them duck. So it was a war we lost.

 

But the situation that existed, even if it was somewhat of a stalemate, could have continued on forever. It was a relative victory, albeit one that took some effort to maintain.

If I can use an analogy, it's like a patient when their cancer has gone into remission. They're not "cured" but they can probably go on to live a mostly normal life, as long as they keep up their scheduled screening appointments.

 

Well there is your "stay in Afghanistan forever" argument. There are a few who adhere to it, but if you require a military occupation in order to keep your puppet government in power, you are simply an imperial power, and Afghanistan is a colony. That was never the plan, at least as far as I know. Maybe the pro-Empire people should have made that argument sometime during the last 20 years.