Why do you dems have so much hatred.

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by bradt93, Jun 24, 2017.

  1. Papastox

    Papastox Well-Known Member

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    I think you mean libel. MSM tells Libs to jump and they say, "how high"? Every lie they tell, Libs believe because they WANT so desperately to believe it. It's sad that Libs don't care about Americans. They only believe in identity politics. They like to pigeonhole people and use them to keep control, whether it's Muslims, gays, Blacks, Hispanics, illegals or whoever the soup du jour is. Everyone else they demonize, by calling them horrible names like racist, homophobic, Islamophobic, etc just because they disagree, and you noticed how well that tactic worked in the election. Keep it up. We don't like identity politics...
     
  2. bradt93

    bradt93 Well-Known Member

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    How about that b***h who got upset in Oregon over a confederate flag displaying in a PRIVATELY OWNED BUSINESS. She was a total nut job and it was none of her business.
     
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    We are in total agreement. Historically speaking, when the separation of wealth becomes too extreme, social revolutions occur. The French Revolution is a good example. Many of those turn out badly. Again, the French Revolution is a good example, but there are others. I have no desire to see this nation experience such upheaval, but this continuing trend is cause for concern. We are all at the mercy of our own voters, and those demonstrated in 2016 they weren't really very well informed about the economy, the way our government works, the relationships between business and government, the root causes of many of the stresses they were feeling and voting against, or how to rectify those. Ultimately, they gave us Trump and a Congress of millionaires, and Trump gave us a sickening collection of billionaire/millionaire sycophants for a Cabinet, and neither the Congress or the Cabinet dare tell Trump he's wrong on anything. I am utterly amazed and confused that the American voter could have ever expected a billionaire, who never dealt with a life-threatening financial problem in his life, would (or could) ever be a person they could expect to represent them or their interests if elected. He's clueless. But even more frightening, he doesn't care enough to learn. Beyond that, the prime question for our future is, can the American voter learn enough to stop voting for candidates who will never support them or their concerns? So far, the evidence isn't promising.
     
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    XploreR Well-Known Member

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    Have you looked at real estate prices in California, where an "average" house built in the 1950's, no more than 1,000 sq ft and no basement or garage runs $750,000+? If you consider that affordable for a first-time home buyer, then you're definitely not in the lower or middle classes.
     
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    Thought Criminal Well-Known Member Donor

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    It can't happen. We don't get to know truth. The news hides it from us. They'll never give us facts. Beyond that, there are too many voters who care more about how much "free" stuff they can get, instead of what's good for the country.
     
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    It is illogical by my measure of logic to take what a single democrat said then ask democrats in general what is wrong with them. The actions of one individual is not representative of an entire group.
     
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    XploreR Well-Known Member

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    My answers are in italics above.
     
  8. jgoins

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    Well the person I replied to indicated that the rich owned the majority of the property and there was none left available. If so then why is there property for sale?

    Property values are ridiculous in California. Where I live in Arkansas I will be in the market for purchasing a home and have been looking in the $60,000 range and saw several in my chosen area. Prices are very different depending on where you want to live.
     
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    upside222 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Malarky. The rich are continually castigated for having *stolen* all the money, for hoarding all the money so others can't get it, and for wanting the poor to actually die. Its a world view driven by the negative emotions of jealousy, greed, and envy. The mere fact that you want to "spread that wealth and success around" by taking it from the rich so effectively conveys your resentment that it is impossible to deny it.

    Redistribution of wealth has *never, *anywhere* in the world worked out well. It just causes so many unintended consequences. Such as moving jobs overseas and keeping the earnings overseas.

    Remember, most of the 1% don't get their income through wages so the income tax can't touch it. You can penalize capital gains but that is one of the main drivers for jobs going overseas and it just kills job growth in America. And if you go after the actual assets of the rich then you run afoul of the 5th Amendment and its "takings" clause. The 5th Amendment is one of the major arguments against the estate tax, it is a taking of physical property with no compensation.

    Sure you are jealous and envious, greedy too! If you weren't then you would be talking about ways to move the poor up using economics instead of "giving away" stuff you've taken from others. The way to fix income inequality is to to take money away from the rich but to create jobs the poor can use to advance themselves.

    Again, the mere fact that you focus more on the rich and tearing them down instead of actually discussing ways to lift the poor up just totally belies your words.

    The poor and the middle class are *ahead* of the level of prosperity in 1981! Why do you worry so much about the rich? Again, this just shows that you think that if the rich had not prospered so much the poor would have prospered more! That's the result of jealousy, greed, and envy. You admit that the poor and middle class are better off than in 1981, right? Then how is it you think America isn't still the land of opportunity? Why do you think it is only the rich that are benefitting? If the average wage wasn't beating 1981 you might have an argument but that just isn't true.

    What is wrong is the way you want to change the system. You want to tear down the rich instead of building up the poor. Not only will it not work, it *can't* work!

    Trump *made* his money. He increased what he had by at least an order of magnitude if not more. Bill Gates didn't inherit a fortune. Steve Jobs didn't inherit a fortune. Lot's of rich people didn't inherit a fortune.

    Taking money out of my pocket to give to someone else is not a SERVICE!

    Obama didn't *understand* the Constitution at all. If he did he would never have signed legislation *forcing* citizens to buy a government product under the threat of force.

    Government *MUST* be run as a business. If it isn't then we get into the situation we are in today. The interest on the national debt is almost the amount of our annual deficit. If it wasn't for our 100% debt ratio this country wouldn't have the problem it has today.

    Our government isn't divinely inspired, it is run by humans and humans fail. Our *form* of government and our founding documents were divinely inspired. But the federal government is so far from the Constitution and our founding principles that it is failing. Individual welfare is mentioned no where in the Constitution as a federal responsibility, yet today it makes up almost 2/3 of overall federal spending. 1 in 5 is on Medicaid. 50% of our households get some form of entitlement spending. And it doesn't appear there will be any end in sight until the entitlement programs outstrip our ability to fund them. *THEN* there will be hell to pay!

    Then why do you want to take it from them at the end of a government gun?

    It's *completely that simple.

    50% of this country pays no income tax. I don't have the number at hand but there is a big percentage of the working poor that get paid by the taxpayer via the Earned Income Tax Credit. And you think the tax laws favor the rich?

    The rich *do* create new jobs. It's a certainty that the poor do not. Please tell me you didn't learn your economics from Scrooge McDuck! The rich simply do not bury their money in the back yard. They put their money to work. If they didn't then inflation would soon eat it up!


    What history? You mean the history feed to you in Marxist Democrat talking point lies?

    John Kennedy cut cap gains taxes and created a boom. Ronald Reagan cut cap gains taxes and created a boom. Bill Clinton cut cap gains taxes and created a boom. George Bush cut cap gains taxes and created a boom.

    Bill Clinton raised taxes in 1993 and the economy grew like Obama's. He cut cap gains taxes in 1998 and saw venture capital investment grow from $8B in all of 1998 to $20B per QUARTER by the year 2000. That investment created *lots* of jobs and prosperity.

    You need to tell those that are telling you that cutting capital gains taxes only benefit the rich and don't create jobs that they are lying to you and that they need to stop! Just ask any Chinese worker that benefited from the capital investment Caterpillar made in China if capital investment creates jobs!

    Did Steve Jobs know there was a market created by the poor and the middle class when he created his first PC? Did Zukerberg know there was a market for Facebook among the poor and the middle class? You are totally discounting the role of the entrepreneur in American economics. 25% of new startups fail within five years. Did the poor and the middle class not create a market for their products? If not, then why?

    Stop and think about this a minute. If all the wealth went to the top then how did the average wage grow enough to beat inflation? You are doing nothing but parroting a Marxist Democrat lie that you've been given by someone.


    You do this by giving them JOBS, not by redistributing wealth. Redistributing wealth only eats away at possible capital investment which ultimately hurts the poor. It becomes a never-ending negative spiral!

    Are you telling me that Dodd/Frank almost stopping lending to small business was mean to protect the lives of the citizenry and not to punish the banks, especially local and regional banks? Are you telling me that the EPA asserting government control over the mud puddle in your back yard when it rains was meant to protect the lives of the citizenry and not to punish land owners?

    When you speak of "greed-driven" corporate businesses your jealousy, greed, and envy just comes shining through. You do *not* help the people by punishing business before they actually do something wrong.







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    where in my post did I call for violence?

    Buy yes. Trump and his supporters are mostly jerks. I would agree with that at least.
     

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