why do you discuss israel too often ?

I notice that you focus too often on matters about israel.
what does it stem from ? continueous detestation for the judaism ?
Israel is one out of many independent country across the globe,accordingly,we are allowed to independently take decisions on anything.
why is the entire world involved in what's happening to israel ?
just avoid a dispution over the israeli policy because you know nothing about the israeli current occurrences.

Some of you appeal against israel only to provoke and associate with the palestinians.you don't really have an idea what you talk about (sometimes).

Have a good day,above all,we are all humans.

 

NeoZionism is going to kill you unless you do something about it. I hope that answers your enquiry.

 

can you explain to me why you did discuss inner jewish matters ?
it's pretty clear that israel is in the middle of a complicated controversy between two other groups : haredim and the secular stream it's not worldwide politic,there is nothing to mention it here.
it's just done to disgrace israel isn't it ?

 

The delegitimization of Israel is always welcome. Further, such episodes emphasize the schismatic nature of Zionism, the social aspects on the one hand and the insanity of extremism on the other. The Knesset is embarrassed, the fascists- Lieberman and Netanyahu- are forced to turn their attentions and rhetoric inwards instead of being permitted to plan further atrocities abroad. The squatters are, rightly, identified as nutcases under the control of extremist bigots and violence between the squatters and the IOF highlights what both of these factions do to the Palestinians over which they rule. While they are fighting each other they are not killing children in Gaza- although yesterdays murders in Gaza prove that they like to keep their hand in.
If publicizing Zionist misogyny can delegitimize Israel's corrupt society then its worth almost as much as helping the female victims of its extremism.

I don't believe that the neoZionist monsters receive anything like the exposure due to them. Thank you for contributing.

 

I realize the hatred for the judaism considerably increases.It's a recent wave of abhorence which can easily turn into tangible violence towards jews.
Jews around the world can't feel safe due to the islamic awakening,we are absolutely paralyzed.
in addition to the boosting detestation,the jews went through the worst incident ever-the holocaust-something unforgottenable in terms of the jews-over 6 million jews were cruelly slaughtered in the concentration camps in germany and other countries close to it.It's barely mentioned by unions and even a few countries do not incredibly acknowledge this torture.
dissents on behalf of religion must be prevented ! judaism is the source of the main three religions (i don't justify its principles i'm only noting facts.),some parts in our religions might be similar to each other !
A struggle for a piece of ground should not make a vulgar battle,it must be politely managed.

 

Then go to the peace table..

The Arabs will forget all about you.

 

Jews will find friends and protection amongst the peoples into which they are assimilated. They could help bring Zionism to an end by raising the profile of their distaste for it.

What ' image ' are these fools talking about ?

 

I can only speak for me here.

And I am trying to offer you an honest answer, up to you what you want to do with that.

I don't care less about Judaism, any more or less than I care about any other religion.

However, when a state routinely breaks international laws, then yes, I suppose it should really flicker attention from those who are interested in such matters, and who believe that upholding laws internationally, is important.

Probably a more elegant question for you to have asked, would have been - 'How come our media and our politicians are so obviously biased in favour of Israel, the state the breaks more UNSCR than any other?'

 

*Sigh*

Just as I thought - you did not come here with a honest question, at all, did you?

You were not really intrerested in our answers.

Nope.

It was all a lead in to this bunch of utter crap.

Jack

The last two lines were okay though!

 

Suuuuuuuure you don't....

Really? How so?

And all of a sudden israel represents all jews worldwide? I thought the talking point was supposed to be "zionists"

 

Btw.

@OP - If you tire or get bored by what you see as too many theads about Israel, then what sense does it make to create another one, which, at the end of the day, is doing the very thing you wonder why people do?

 

There are a number of contentious issues which keep cropping up on forums and just keep on running, they are always subjects where logic is trying to argue against faith. You'll see threads about evolution versus intelligent design, threads about global warming, they crop up time after time.

The subject of Israel and Palestine is so hotly debated so often because the facts just don't match the belief, the press and the media have for so long painted the Israelis as good and Palestinians as bad that it has become ingrained in the psyche and as how much you try to argue the facts there are still those who just can't accept it. The more you present evidence they are wrong the firmer their belief they are right.

 

Why should they be removed can you not decide for yourself if they are trying to discuss a topic or being solely racist. Outlawing a particular view point racist or not is pitiful and shows a lack of confidence in the others around you to come to their own conclusions. If you feel others cannot come to their own decision that meets your requirements then a debate forum is not for you no matter the quality. If you feel others may be swayed so easily why not just leave?

 

criticism of zionism and hatred of judaism is not the same thing.

the holocaust has nothing to do with what is happening now in Israel (unless looking at it in psychological terms, where the abused has become the abuser).

the palestinian people should have the same rights as anyone else.

do you believe that they should not?

 

Yes they should.
But the sad thing is, that this is not the point that most of the posters here, who seem to support the palestinians cause, are trying to achieve.

They are not saying that the palestinians should have rights as everyone else, thay say that israel should not exist, that israel are a parasite country, that israelis are thieves who ethnicly cleanse the palestinians, committing genocide, nazis, faschists, not even jews as some of them are khazars who converted, etc.

There is a big difference between saying that occupation is bad, and that the palestinians deserve a country to call their own, and saying what i've mentioned above.

In any decent forum, the above equals as anti semitism.
In other forums, such as stormfront, resistance records and national alliance, the above is welcomed.

 

by far, the posts of most palestinian supporters on these issues relate to the ACTIONS of the state of Israel.

that is NOT antisemitism, which is hatred of Jews and not related to Israel.

 

Come on...
just look at the post above you.
"What Israel is is a cancer "
"Europeans who are planted in the Middle East "
"It's like a malignant cancer "

(do you really think that this is related to the actions of israel? this is hatred, pure and simple)
Just like posting on stormfront.

 

What if those 'international laws' are made by the Arab League with the express purpose of undermining Israel and supported by Soviet Union/Russia, China, tinpots etc as a way of attacking a vital ally of the world's only superpower? Why would you expect people to take the UN rulings seriously in light of the fact that the UN is so thoroughly discredited? You expect people to submit to a UN human rights ruling against Israel made by Syria, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Jordan, Pakistan etc etc?

Syria has just been appointed to two UN 'human rights' committees for example. Can you explain why you expect anyone to take the UN seriously?

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhWgZu6tcZU"]Banned Speech: Hillel Neuer Takes on U.N. Human Rights Council - YouTube[/ame]

 

Yes what if we have a United Nations which is actually a United Nations not an American dictatorship?

Th entire purpose of the United Nations is that every country in the world gets a say in how the world is run whether America likes it or not. I know in the past the white Christian Conservative supremacists have managed to bully the world by getting small countries into debt and threatening to bankrupt them if they don't vote how America says, I know America has abused their use of their veto countless times to overthrow democracy and force their will on the world.

One and a half billion people in the world are Muslim, over a fifth of the population, they should have their say in world politics not be trodden under Uncle Sam's jackboot.

 

No. You should really look into things more before you express such strong opinions:

The President of the United States of America and the Prime Minister, Mr. Churchill, representing His Majesty's Government in the United Kingdom, being met together, deem it right to make known certain common principles in the national policies of their respective countries on which they base their hopes for a better future for the world.

First, their countries seek no aggrandizement, territorial or other;

Second, they desire to see no territorial changes that do not accord with the freely expressed wishes of the peoples concerned;

Third, they respect the right of all peoples to choose the form of government under which they will live; and they wish to see sovereign rights and self government restored to those who have been forcibly deprived of them;

Fourth, they will endeavor, with due respect for their existing obligations, to further the enjoyment by all States, great or small, victor or vanquished, of access, on equal terms, to the trade and to the raw materials of the world which are needed for their economic prosperity;

Fifth, they desire to bring about the fullest collaboration between all nations in the economic field with the object of securing, for all, improved labor standards, economic advancement and social security;

Sixth, after the final destruction of the Nazi tyranny, they hope to see established a peace which will afford to all nations the means of dwelling in safety within their own boundaries, and which will afford assurance that all the men in all lands may live out their lives in freedom from fear and want;

Seventh, such a peace should enable all men to traverse the high seas and oceans without hindrance;

Eighth, they believe that all of the nations of the world, for realistic as well as spiritual reasons must come to the abandonment of the use of force. Since no future peace can be maintained if land, sea or air armaments continue to be employed by nations which threaten, or may threaten, aggression outside of their frontiers, they believe, pending the establishment of a wider and permanent system of general security, that the disarmament of such nations is essential. They will likewise aid and encourage all other practicable measure which will lighten for peace-loving peoples the crushing burden of armaments.

 

While Israel continues to steal Palestinian territory, how Israel has grown and Palestine shrunk since those words were spoken.

Apart from in Palestine that is.

Apart from Palestinians that is, it seems America is opposed to them having any sort of self determination whatsoever.

Except Palestine who will be starved of materials by Israeli blockade and have their natural resources stolen by Israel.

Except Palestine who will have no self determination whatsoever.

Apart from the people in Gaza who will live in permanent fear.

Apart from ships taking humanitarian aid to Gaza, their crews can be murdered.

How many countries has America bombed since that was written? Must be quite a lot by now. Hell I bet the ink wasn't even dry before American troops were landing in Korea.

 

once upon a time it was the USSR that used to exercise its power of veto in favour of Israel.

what do you think changed?

 

I think it could be interpreted either way, but of you take it in the context of what he said above that:

it doesn't seem to be about hatred of Jews - it is criticism of the ideology of zionism, and the effects of that.

 

Did you miss this?

"they wish to see sovereign rights and self government restored to those who have been forcibly deprived of them"

Palepeople were given Jordan - Arabs have 22 states covering an area 650 times as large as Israel. The Palepeople of Judea and Samaria who became Palepeople 44 years ago after a Six Day can of whip ass were granted Jordanian citizenship so they could return to Jordan which is 75% Palestinian.

And Israel is not blockading anywhere as you well know. Non-Jewish U.N. inspectors could've checked the 'freedom' cargo and sent it on its merry way to Juden free Gaza if that's what it was all about.

 

The Soviet Union formed a block with the Arabs in the mid 70's. They voted consistently against Israel from then onwards. Russia votes consistently against Israel with the Arab/Muslim/tinpot countries today.