Why Finland has the best schools

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  1. HereWeGoAgain

    HereWeGoAgain Banned

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    That is a function of lifestyle and economics, not scale.
     
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    The most important thing to teach kids is to love learning. If you're happy at school you learn to love learning and if you love to learn you learn more. I wish they would adopt the Finnish school system here in Australia
     
  3. tom444

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    Just so.
     
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    No offense, but that's nonsense. Kids are incredible learning machines, and you don't have to teach them to love learning.

    The only problem is that they're not going to just learn whatever you want them to learn.
     
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    and just what country is this?
     
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    Two problems with that, first, you are misreading my post.

    I specifically said Los Angeles, which is about 4M. But, the urban sprawl of LA when included most likely is pretty far above the country of Finland

    Second, a country that small with such a homogeneous population is MUCH easier to manage and steer.

    Buy have you been to Scandinavia? Stating again, their populations all basically come from the same backgrounds. These similar morals, ideals, histories and politics make governing a breeze compared to what the US deals with.

    The last thing to notice is that Scandinavia's economy and especially that of Finland are really hurting and expected to hurt REALLY bad in the coming decades. While we have a lot to learn from them, they have plenty as well.
     
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    What difference does it make? Are you serious?

    If you don't understand the challenges a multicultural society has over that of a homogenous one you have some more "schoolin" to do
     
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    Kids can easily hate learning, I've seen it, they're miserable at school it will show in their grades. They are indeed incredible earning machines but they'll tune you out faster than you can blink.

    The only thing I teach my kids is the joy of learning, as a result they learn the rest themselves.
     
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    I think kids to love learning, but its HOW to teach that is the problem. Humans are just so different and one of the main things in question here is the sheer volume of TYPES of learning/teaching there are out there
     
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    The only country where I could see this possibly happening is UK or France, but if it is one of those two he is extremely incorrect and most likely pointing out the few experiences he/she has personally seen.

    Heck, the validictorian at my high school went to MIT and was black, awesome kid. But his blanket statement is false, love to see a source proving it with which I will retract my statement, but yeah....
     
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    Already been asked, but you are so adamant on this that I simply have to know.

    Do you really there are no differences to education when you mulitply the population by over 6000% and add in hundreds of cultures? Vs Finlands literally half dozen or less?

    As pointed out much earlier, LITERALLY over 99% of the country is Finnish or Swedish.

    It is childish and ignorant not to see how vastly different they are
     
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    Children are children. There isn't a more malleable brain on the planet. I learned that long ago, in a land far, far, away. I'm sorry it hasn't come home to you.
     
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    No response so you personally attack me eh?

    With an engineering degree, math & business minor, a graduate degree in finance and a business I started from scratch now doing over $10M in annual revenue, I am very comfortable of my intelligence and success.

    However, I don't have the room in this area to type out how ridiculously stupid it is to believe all children learn the same way. You are basically saying that all people are the same and learn the same no matter where they come from or what their ideals are.....

    I feel bad for you
     
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    Please, get an education. Learn something about neuroplasticity. Open your mind. Learn.
     
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    Well you already are showing your weakness by once again avoiding the argument and personally attacking me. But I will bite since you are making it so easy. I have told you my education but it appears you are somewhere in the high school phase of your development.

    But anyways, you are proving my point and you gave an absolutely horrible example. Neuroplasticity involves the development of a human brain throughout someones life based on their life experiences and actions, a sort of hard wiring if you will. That has literally NOTHING to do with your point that the same education style works for all people.

    So, you are saying all people have the same life experience then right?

    Now I feel even worse for you
     
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    High schooler, give him some leeway while he figures out how to debate properly
     
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    Man, you just keep proving my point.

    Do you know how foolish you already look in your short tenure here?

    It truly is embarrassing to read through
     
  18. tom444

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    The Finish model is individualistic. It does take each child into consideration. It's our system that doesn't.

    Good lord.
     
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    Ha, I see.
     
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    Why don't we take a look at Finland's neighbor right across the Baltic Sea, a country that's even more progressive than Finland.
    People are saying, 'Well, Finland's schools are so good, why is that?'
    And that's what people said about Sweden too. 20 years ago. Now Sweden's test scores are falling. Schools are going bad.
    Anyone take a guess what's the difference between Sweden and Finland?
     
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    Neuroplasticity:the ability of the brain to form and reorganize synaptic connections, especially in response to learning or experience or following injury.
     
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    Well at least you decided to throw up an actual piece of information to discuss.

    Unfortunately you seem to be unable to read what I am writing, or you are just out of your depth and can't figure out what to say next, not sure....

    We quite obviously were discussing how people are very different and require different teaching styles depending on who they are (life experiences, genetics, etc). Now that you have tried to pivot and say that Finland DOES teach to this ideal, I guess you are admitting you are wrong and that kids do in fact need to be taught differently from each other.

    So, now that you have brought up a different conversation and conceded the other, what particularly about the Finnish system do you feel promotes the ability for many different types of children to learn?

    We have already proven that homogeneity of Finland of MORE THAN 99% makes it much easier.

    But what about this system makes you feel it would/could/should be implemented worldwide?

    Feel free to just yell LEARN again, it is getting you real far...
     
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    Of course they'll hate learning some things. It's like trying to make a kid learn to love spinach by forcing him to eat spinach. He'll just learn to hate spinach. Overall, if left to their own devices, they're great at learning. It's not something you have to teach kids.

    saying that you teach your kids the joy of learning is like saying you teach kids the joy of getting taller.
     
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    Which is exactly what I said ....

    Come on man, LEARN!!!
     
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    No, you said it was a hardwiring over a life span. It's the exact opposite. It's the ability to reorganize your brains wiring.

    your words "Neuroplasticity involves the development of a human brain throughout someones life based on their life experiences and actions, a sort of hard wiring if you will"

    You're in way over your head. Kids aren't hardwired. They are adapting machines.
     
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