Why is black psuedoscience allowed to be preached in US colleges

i also work with engineers and architects.

 

For the first six generations the wives of the ruling Ptolemies also came from the same Macedonian background as their husbands. So until the time of Cleopatra’s great-grandfather, the ethnic makeup of the dynasty was still pure Macedonian Greek. In fact two of her ancestors married their sisters, thus reinforcing the Macedonian ethnicity. It is with Cleopatra’s grandfather that uncertainties develop. Although he had two wives of traditional Macedonian background, he seems to have had at least one concubine of uncertain origin, who may have been Cleopatra’s grandmother. But this is by no means clear, and some sources indicate she was her husband’s sister, and thus pure Macedonian.

Assuming, however, that Cleopatra’s grandmother was not from the traditional Macedonian Greek stem, the question arises as to just what she was. Sources suggest that if she was not Macedonian, she was probably Egyptian. So by the time of Cleopatra’s grandparents, there may have been an Egyptian element in the racial stem.

Cleopatra’s father also had several wives. One was his sister, but again there is evidence that some of his five children had another mother. Yet the geographer Strabo (one of the few contemporary sources for the life of Cleopatra) wrote that all the wives of her father were women of significant status, which rules out any slaves or concubines, and makes it possible that Cleopatra’s mother was of the traditional Macedonian Greek stock. But this may not have been the case, so one may need to look elsewhere for the ethnic background of Cleopatra’s mother. Yet there is only one other ethnic group that produced women of status in contemporary Egypt: the Egyptian religious elite, which in fact had a long history of intermarriage with the Ptolemaic dynasty. So Cleopatra’s mother may have been Egyptian, but she probably also had some Macedonian background.

http://blog.oup.com/2010/12/cleopatra-2/

 

What about George Washington Carver?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington_Carver

 

You now exactlywh I am? wow. Give me some evidence you know who I am.

 

|A) Because much of what goes on in the US is taken up by UK lefties who start that trash here,

 

This greek....very unlikely. The Afrocentrists are making a claim that she was black but cannot show any evidence. If I clame Mana Musa or Shaka Zulu were really white you would expect me to actualy show some evidence not a pile of 'well its possible that his mothermight have been xxxx or yyyyyy.

Essentially some very stupid black people saw evidence that there have been black Pharoahs in Egypt (true) and decided 'hey all the phaorahs were black' and extrapolated it to Cleopatra X Philopater

 

It does seem that every few months someone tries to say Cleopatra was black. Why, I haven't the slightest idea. It is not like she was one of the more successful pharaohs. There are a bunch of them who may have been black or at least part Nubian. Why the importance of painting Cleopatra black is beyond me.

 

Whoever wrote the article just short-handed it. Dr Hilke Thuer, from the Austrian Academy of Science, who led the discovery, said, "It is unique in the life of an archaeologist to find the tomb and the skeleton of a member of Ptolemaic dynasty. The results of the forensic examination and the fact that the facial reconstruction shows that Arsinoe had an African mother is a real sensation which leads to a new insight on Cleopatra's family and the relationship of the sisters Cleopatra and Arsinoe."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...a-had-African-ancestry-skeleton-suggests.html

 

Physical anthropologists can determine race from a skeleton with more than 95% confidence.

 

Why Arsinoe's mother as opposed to saying Cleopatra's mother? Is there uncertainty the sisters have the same mother?

 

The reason was because the idiots have heard of her. That's it.

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Of course. Pharoahs had a number of wives/concubines Arsinoe was the half sister of CleopatraXphilopater so showing that a half sister had an African mother is utterly irrelevant

 

Arsinoe may have been a half sister to Cleopatra.

http://www.ibtimes.com/remains-cleo...arsinoe-iv-possibly-found-turkey-ruin-1108197

More than 2,000 years after Princess Arsinoe IV’s death archaeologists are hoping new forensic techniques will confirm that remains recovered in Turkey belong to Cleopatra’s murder sister. Arsinoe IV’s bones were lost after being stolen by the Nazis during World War II, but now Hilke Thur, a Viennese archaeologist, claims he’s found evidence the skeleton in his possession is the former princess.

Historians aren’t sure if Arsinoe was the sister or half-sister of the Egyptian queen Cleopatra, although it has been confirmed the two shared a father in Ptolemy XII Auletes. When Ptolemy XII died he left the throne to Celopatra and her brother, Ptolemy XIII, who soon tried removing Cleopatra from power.

Julius Caesar would join the struggle, winning Cleopatra back the throne with Roman support. Unfortunately for Princess Arsinoe, she had already taken sides against Cleopatra and – after the power struggle – was banished to Ephesus, an ancient Greek city in what is now Turkey. According to Live Science, Cleopatra had a change of heart in 41 B.C., perceived her sister as a threat, and had her murdered.

Thur told the Charlotte News Observer that a skeleton he helped recover during an archaeological dig at a monument in Euphesus, the Octagon, was the remains of a girl in her late teens, implying that was consistent with Arsinoe at the time of her death. Other scientists doubt that, pointing to Cleopatra’s murdered sister’s importance during the Egyptian-Roman war.

“When I was working with the architecture of the Octagon and the building next to it, it wasn’t known whose skeleton was inside,” he said. “Then I found some ancient writers telling us that in the year 41 B.C., Arsinoe IV – the half-sister of Cleopatra – was murdered in Ephesus by Cleopatra and her Roman lover, Marc Antony. Because the building is dated by its type and decoration to the second half of the first century B.C., this fits quite well. I put the pieces of the puzzle together.”

But critics allege the evidence is merely circumstantial and that the bones have been handled too many times for a positive DNA identification, a claim Thur admits. The archaeologist said the DNA test, “didn’t bring the results we hoped to find,” but the academic questioning is nothing more than “a kind of jealousy.”

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Arsinoe may have been a half sister to Cleopatra.

http://www.ibtimes.com/remains-cleopatras-murdered-sister-princess-arsinoe-iv-possibly-found-turkey-ruin-1108197

More than 2,000 years after Princess Arsinoe IV’s death archaeologists are hoping new forensic techniques will confirm that remains recovered in Turkey belong to Cleopatra’s murder sister. Arsinoe IV’s bones were lost after being stolen by the Nazis during World War II, but now Hilke Thur, a Viennese archaeologist, claims he’s found evidence the skeleton in his possession is the former princess.

Historians aren’t sure if Arsinoe was the sister or half-sister of the Egyptian queen Cleopatra, although it has been confirmed the two shared a father in Ptolemy XII Auletes. When Ptolemy XII died he left the throne to Celopatra and her brother, Ptolemy XIII, who soon tried removing Cleopatra from power.

Julius Caesar would join the struggle, winning Cleopatra back the throne with Roman support. Unfortunately for Princess Arsinoe, she had already taken sides against Cleopatra and – after the power struggle – was banished to Ephesus, an ancient Greek city in what is now Turkey. According to Live Science, Cleopatra had a change of heart in 41 B.C., perceived her sister as a threat, and had her murdered.

Thur told the Charlotte News Observer that a skeleton he helped recover during an archaeological dig at a monument in Euphesus, the Octagon, was the remains of a girl in her late teens, implying that was consistent with Arsinoe at the time of her death. Other scientists doubt that, pointing to Cleopatra’s murdered sister’s importance during the Egyptian-Roman war.

“When I was working with the architecture of the Octagon and the building next to it, it wasn’t known whose skeleton was inside,” he said. “Then I found some ancient writers telling us that in the year 41 B.C., Arsinoe IV – the half-sister of Cleopatra – was murdered in Ephesus by Cleopatra and her Roman lover, Marc Antony. Because the building is dated by its type and decoration to the second half of the first century B.C., this fits quite well. I put the pieces of the puzzle together.”

But critics allege the evidence is merely circumstantial and that the bones have been handled too many times for a positive DNA identification, a claim Thur admits. The archaeologist said the DNA test, “didn’t bring the results we hoped to find,” but the academic questioning is nothing more than “a kind of jealousy.”

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But this is typical of the shoddy frauds that Afrocentrists post. The Only thing they CAN say is that it is not impossible that Cleopatra was part AFrican but somehow they make this into 'Cleopatra was Black' and no amount of evidence can possibly convince them otherwise since evidence is so Alien to the who Afrocentrist belief structure.

 

I know ... some of them claim that the Israelites were black .. the Egyptians were black and Jesus was black..

 

well, it's HUMAN, until I have to take time out of my US history class that covers colonies until 1877, to teach about MLK, Jr. and Rosa parks during Black History Month

 

Of course. I'm not fan of black history month.

 

From what I've dound, it's because they've yet to find Cleopatra's remains.

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Working off the "one drop rule..."

 

One drop rule makes everyone black

 

It's the lack of significant individuals of historical stature and the need to construct a grand past lost to conspiracy even if it is a fantasy.

 

That's almost certainly true. The pathetic examples of 'inventors' (which 9 times out of 10 means someone who made a slight variation on a well established theme) and the utter failure of @great' African leaders to do anything bar line their own pockets and/or support murderous thugs

 

There isn't really a controversy over some of the Ancient Egyptians being Black including Black Pharaohs. After all many Egyptians especially in the South are Black today. The controversy lies with the claim that all or most of the Ancient Egyptians were Black. Most Egyptians today are not considered to be Black so many scholars believe the same was true in antiquity. Afrocentrists tend to claim that most of the Ancient Egyptians were Black throughout the Dynastic period before invasions by foreigners changed much of the populace especially in Northern Egypt. Eurocentrists have claimed that Ancient Egypt was a Caucasian civilization, denying the existence of prominent Black Africans in the society and claiming that most of the Blacks in Ancient Egypt were slaves.

There is substantial scientific evidence that at least Southern Egyptians in antiquity were Biologically African and tropically adapted, people that we today call Black. The evidence for the Northern Egyptians being the same is hotly contested and controversial. The impact of invasions is also widely disputed. I recently spoke to a Biological Anthropologist named Shomarka Keita who provided me with a source that addresses the impact of foreigners on Egypt.

As far as the Israelites are concerned I believe they were Middle Eastern. A sect of Afrocentrists known as Black Hebrew Israelites believe that Black people in America are descended from the Israelites who they claim to be Black and that Black people are God's Chosen people.

These radicals don't represent mainstream Afrocentrism and Cleopatra being Black isn't really a common Afrocentric claim. The Arsinoe discovery was interesting but it's well established that Cleopatra's lineage was Macedonian Greek. Without actual remains of Cleopatra we can't possibly know if she had mixed ancestry. It's only speculation but as I said this isn't really a claim most prominent Afrocentrists cling to. They are mostly concerned with modern social issues involving Black people and the Afrocentric historians among them focus on all parts of Africa not just Ancient Egypt.

 

Nonsense. The whole Cleopatra was black thing is endemic amongst Afrocentrists whether they are also bothered about other thinjgs is irrelevant. No one disputes there were black Pharoahs.

 

You're wrong. The Cleopatra issue was brought up during the Black Athena debates by Mary Lefkowitz who told a story about a Black student insisting to her that Cleopatra was Black and calling her a racist for denying it. Mainstream Afrocentrists (African-American intellectuals who teach African studies) do not focus on her in the slightest.

 

the Idea of having 'intellectual' and'Afrocentric' in the same sentence is laughable given the nonsense they promulgate. Molefi Kete Asante's real name is Arthur Lee Smith amusingly. Cheik Diop essentially the grandfather of this nonsense is constantly pushing the 'Egyptians were all black' nonsense. Afrocentrists often insist that Socrates'stole' his ideas from the Library at Alexander which is obvious nonsense. Afrocentrism reects proper scholarship and to Quote Todd Carrol is Pseudoscience based in Identity politics and Myth.

Hell even Howard Universities Cain felder who is moderately in favour of AFrocentrism warns againstGross over-generalizations and using factually or incorrect material is bad history and bad scholarship precisiely because they are endemic in black studies programs. essentially Black 'academics' get away with (*)(*)(*)(*) just like feminist ones do that would be laughed straight out of any academic program in any proper subject due to their utter lack of any academic rigour.

 

That's also not true. That claim comes from George G M James's book Stolen Legacy: The Egyptian Origins of Western Philosophy. It is yet another isolated claim that Mary Lefkowitz acted like had major currency as an Afrocentric claim. Obviously Socrates did not steal ideas from the library of Alexandria which didn't exist until after his death. Lefkowitz's book is highly flawed and attempts to debunk claims that most Afrocentric scholars never made acting like universities all over the United States are teaching this crap.

But she did get one thing right when it comes to the Ancient Egyptians:

On the Origins of the Egyptians Recent work on skeletons and DNA suggests that the people who settled in the Nile valley, like all of humankind, came from somewhere south of the Sahara; they were not (as some nineteenth-century scholars had supposed) invaders from the North. See Bruce G. Trigger, "The Rise of Civilization in Egypt," Cambridge History of Africa (Cambridge, Cambridge University Press, 1982), vol I, pp 489-90; S. O. Y. Keita, "Studies and Comments on Ancient Egyptian Biological Relationships," History in Africa 20 (1993) 129-54.