Why Is Transgender An Identity But Anorexia A Disorder?

But what of my question? Also the brain is an organ and all of its functions are chemical and electrical.

 

'nervous system'?

 

Yes of course. It's all electrical/chemical, no one is disputing that. What we don't know, and therefore can absolutely not claim, is HOW any electrical or chemical changes are caused (other than the single known factor - environment. see below). We can only NOTE the change.

Environmental pressures can and do cause chemical changes .. we already know this beyond a shadow of a doubt. If you're not across it, look into childhood stress and cortisol levels. We simply cannot make the claim that neurochemical 'difference' is heredity. Nor are we even able to claim that neurochemical difference is mysteriously wrought by some other unknown chemical driver. The only KNOWN process is the effects of environment on brain chemistry. I suggest we run with that until science knows more.

 

"Conclusions" are inherently subjective themselves. I mean, me and a psychiatrist can each present evidence that we each think proves our respective "conclusion", but who is to say that his conclusion must be the right one and that mine must be the wrong one?

False. I do not consider hermaphrodite to be a "legitimate" gender. It's an abnormality. Going back to my example earlier. There are people who are born without a brain. Is it now correct to say that there are two kinds of people, one group with a brain and another group without?

 

I dont think any of that (though well thought out) impacts the actual question. Change it to scientists can make it not happen before birth if you like?

 

Unless you deny their existence, they have something other than binary male/female going on. If nature can screw up like that, why can't it screw up in other ways? People exist along a spectrum. Everywhere you look, you can see differences in how people look, talk, think, view the world, etc. Nature can screw up and people are born without limbs, without all 10-digits, the ability to talk at age six-months - abnormalities everywhere. But in gender, it's only 100% male or 100% female and the freaks. What gender are the "freaks?" Spectrum. It's fair to say most people are born with all their limbs and most people can't talk at 6 months. It's also fair to say most people are born with the sense of gender that matches their genitals. As with everything as crazy as nature, there are always exceptions to the rule.

 

I am glad that we agree on something. Nature screwed up in the case of transgendered folks. What these people have is an abnormality. Some might even argue it's a mental illness (though this is currently being debated).

 

So if it could be changed internally should we? For instance instead of getting a sex change they take some kind of medicine and then they no longer feel that way?

 

We do agree. I thought you were arguing against transgenders using the correct bathroom. I mean, women don't want all former females in their bathroom, right? How about Buck Angel? Should he use the women's room?

 

I don't think our current level of medical science is quite "there" yet but if there is indeed such a pill it would solve a lot of things.

I mostly have issues with men who are in women's washroom. Buck Angel in my washroom would also alarm me, too. And it's because he/she looks like a bona-fide male to me. I know this sounds like I am being inconsistent but I am not. Most of us tell someone's gender/sex by giving them cursory looks superficially.

 

I'd say that most trans-gendered people I know can pass for their new gender. I guess the laws in place should clearly state that if you can't pass for your new gender, to use the other washroom. This creates an issue, though - there are many people where you just simply can't tell. There are some seriously man-ish looking women out there. For example, I think Susan Boyle looks like a man trying to pass for a woman. There's literally thousands and thousands of people who don't present as one or the other immediately.

 

I agree with you.

 

Yeah, that's correct. In other words, the condition doesn't consist in the subject's thought process alone, but more so has to do with how the individual's nervous system coordinates with their body. There's a condition among amputees that is known as the phantom pain, which is where the subject still feels pain from the limb that is no longer there. This is a miscommunication between the body and the nervous system. Gender Identity Disorder is somewhat similar, in that experts believe that the condition consists in the nervous system's miscommunication from the body.

 

Yes, I am certain that transgenderism is a psychological disorder, obviously, and should be treated as what it is. I heard of a feller one time who thought he was a dog. A big dog. Instead people wanting him to have his on bathroom with a fire plug to hike his leg up on, they thought he needed help. No difference here. Some people are just "off kilter" mentally, in different areas. But when it comes to sexuality, for some reason, we start trying to make it normal, and will even have Professors, having the nerve to espouse the false idea that gender is not biological. LOL Seems like a higher education can educate some people into utter stupidity.

There may be a cure for things like this, and even homosexuality, but we have stopped trying to find cures, and started celebrating mental illness, and seeing it is normal instead of a psychological aberration. We should at least try to find cures for both, just in case someone didn't want to be sick anymore. If you wanted to remain gender confused, then so be it, just do not ask for the rest of society to accommodate your illness.

You come up with a cure for these things, and you would become very rich. It might even take care of other mental afflictions. Might get rid of the incoherence of faux liberalism, by making the brain accessible to history, logic, rationality, reason, which can temper the base emotions which guides these faux liberals.

 

As someone that sold psychotropics for many years, I have a fair amount of knowledge on this subject. We do not have the ability to measure chemical changes. What we do know is that by introducing various drugs that effect the release of various chemicals, we can improve symptoms of psychosis, depression etc. This leads to a reasonable hypothesis that chemical changes create mental illness, but it is not proven.

There is a strong familial/ hereditary correlation with various organic mental illnesses. This correlation ALSO applies to families where their children get adopted out, which for all intents and purposes, eliminates environmental factors as the cause for this correlation. Every clinically depressed person can point to various things that have them feeling blue, and so they have a tendency to blame their melancholy on environmental factors. In reality though, life is hard, and everyone has trials and tribulations. How a person reacts to those inevitable downs is what determines whether they have clinical depression. I am not talking about someone whom just lost a loved one, but rather a person that throughout their adult life is depressed. A person without clinical depression will eventually move on, a clinically depressed person for the most part will spend a good portion of their life depressed, and will react badly to every down that life has to offer.

Additionally, a lot of people will claim that an acid trip can cause schizophrenia. Schizophrenia is something that lives inside a person until they are typically between 18-24, and will eventually come out. Often times there is a trigger that brings on the first episode, and acid ( or alcohol for that matter) can indeed be that trigger. This does not mean that the environmental factor of acid ( or alcohol) is what caused the schizophrenia, it just means that happened to serve as the trigger. If that schizophrenic never touched acid or alcohol, they STILL would have ended up with psychosis and schizophrenia, perhaps just a week or month later if they had avoided that particular trigger. Nobody ever wants to admit to themselves that they have a mental imbalance, and it is far easier to blame some outside source. In reality, their problem is genetic.

 

Mental illness isn't considered an illness until it causes dysfunction in one's life. Anorexia is largely defined by a specific type of dysfunction closely mirroring body dysmorphic disorder.

 

Because so many of the commonsensically inclined are fool enough to debate it with loons. Otherwise all we'd hear is the sound of one hand clapping.

It was taken too far the moment it was deemed worthy of serious discussion.

 

You hear that you 7 billion humans!

 

I've read through this entire thread to finally come down to the crux of this!

Why would ANYONE entering a public restroom be so damn obsessed with what anyone else is or is not? I'm only going into a public restroom to do one thing: relieve my body of physical waste in as sanitary a way as possible.

Whether the person in the stall next to me has a penis or vagina has no bearing on my reason being there in the first place.

What is so damn difficult about this?

So, unless you are actually visually inspecting people's junk in the bathroom, you could be easily setting yourself up to mis-labelling someone based only on their physical appearance.

 

I just showed you it's a disorder. You don't have to like or accept it, but that doesn't change it.