Why it is impossible to convince a Trump supporter that he/she may be wrong.

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  1. dagosa

    dagosa Well-Known Member

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    One of those libertarians who likes sushi.....
    That’s unexplainable.
     
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    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    As I said, to ME, a law abiding American taxpayer with voting rights, there is a hierarchy on my list of things that matter. Of the things that matter to me personally Trump fulfills more of them than Biden. Doesn't mean I like everything about Trump nor all of his policies, follow me around here for a while and you'll see very quickly that I am no super Trump fanboy. But out of the two choices I have I like Trump's policies more than Bidens so I voted for Trump...Trumps (and Republicans in general) acknowledgement of science only when it's convenient for them is pretty far down on my personal list of things I actually care about.

    It's not that hard to understand.
     
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    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    I'm actually an Atheist....Believe it or not not all Trump supporters are Christian Conservatives....
     
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    Vernan89188 Well-Known Member

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    Im just saying...IF it was, then you couldn't really claim to be a Trump supporter. More like a tolerate just to keep the republicans in charge I guess.
    I mean technically, one could be a gun shop owner and vote for some anti gun democrat..(I cant think of any at the moment..AOC maybe?)
    It wouldn't be a very bright decision now would it? Thats sorta what you did.
    So the only word is ignorance..cause his anti science polices encompass alot of the problems he is causing today.
    Well and that hes just a buffoon in general. Thats just something your gonna be put through the ringer for..supporting a buffoon.
     
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  5. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    If you don't even know what my personal list of things I care about actually is then have can you definitively state that I am voting against my own best interests? Are you assuming that you are the arbiter of policy morality and that everything you personally feel is an important issue is something everyone else should as well or else they are ignorant?
     
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    Vernan89188 Well-Known Member

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    Science is the topic..not "everything".
    Unless it is.
     
  7. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    Alright, and what exactly does science have to do with my ability to keep AK-47s in my closet? Or pay less taxes? Two things, for example, that are higher up on my personal priority list than science denial.
     
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    When you vote for Trump..you sorta just defined your points of interests.
    And Biden has nothing to do with you keeping guns in your closet.
    Nothing. Neither does Trump for that matter really.

    And your taxes are going up regardless of whos in charge.
     
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  9. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    If you can provide quantifiable evidence that Biden will not attempt to make it illegal for me to keep the semi-auto rifles I currently have and/or prevent the future purchase of more after he is elected then I will gladly listen. I can provide evidence to the contrary, can you do so to back up your claim?

    Also can you provide evidence that my taxes are going to increase under Trump? I have evidence to show that my taxes have in fact decreased under Trump, can you provide evidence to back up your claim that my personal taxes will increase if he is re-elected?
     
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    For one, The second amendment. And for number 2, we just dished out 2 trillion bucks, and are slated to dish out more.
    That moneys gotta come from somewhere. And Its gonna be the recovery that funds it.

    Edit: If sandy hook didn't convince you that they cant take your guns..Then well I dont think anything can alleviate that paranoia.
     
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  12. Nightmare515

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    Yeah well I don't particularly like it when a Presidential candidate directly states that if elected he WILL make my AR's illegal "because I should have never been allowed to own them in the first place". Nor do I particularly like it when a presidential candidate publicly announces that if elected he will assign Beto to the task, who has openly stated that he will direct law enforcement to confiscate personal "assault rifles" if we the people do not comply on our own accord. Will they actually attempt to do that? Who knows. And if they attempt to will they be able to push legislature trough Congress to make it happen? Who knows. But what I do know is that Trump has never stated that he wants to make my AK's illegal under his administration. That's more comforting.

    As far as taxes are concerned, once again only one of the two people currently running for President have publicly stated that they WILL increase my taxes. Will my taxes increase due to these COVID stimulus packages? Perhaps, but Trump has never stated that he intends to increase my taxes.

    The difference is one person is on record publicly stating they will increase my taxes, you are ASSUMING the other guy will as well. One person is on record publicly stating that he will make my guns illegal, you are ASSUMING it won't actually happen.

    Is that how this is supposed to work? Am I supposed to just listen to a candidate directly say they will do something not in my personal best interests and just assume they won't actually do it and vote for them anyway? If that's the case then everything you hear Trump saying he's going to do that you don't particularly like you need to just ignore it and assume he isn't actually going to do it.

    The whole pro-life thing that Trump and Republicans are so big on which is part of the reason Democrats are so infuriated with Amy Barret? Just ignore it, history has shown that they aren't going to just flat out make abortion illegal so what are folks so worried about her being on the Supreme Court for?
     
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    Alright please explain to me how a bump stock is a semi-automatic rifle....How is that relevant to what I said about semi-auto rifles in my closet? I don't even own bump stocks I don't care if they are legal or not.

    Find me evidence of Donald Trump openly stating that he will make my AK-47s illegal to own under his Presidency. I can provide you a direct link to Joe Biden saying that, can you do the same for Trump?
     
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    No one is, ok. That was the point.
    You are supporting Trump on out of thin air polices he has no control over. Any clip of Joe Biden saying hes coming for your guns cant be anything more then a pandering bluff at best, or outright lie at worst. Most likely its just something taken out of context. But im giving you the benefit of the doubt. But even then..Under republican control..they have taken far more liberties then any democrat..Ban on ticktok ring a bell?
     
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    I can make the case that your taxes WILL increase during the DECADES after he is gone because RvW will be overturned by the anti-abortionist activist judges appointed by the wannabe Fascist-in-Chief.

    Banning abortion means more UNWANTED children. All you have to do is look at the credible scientific studies that establish that unwanted children are more likely to use drugs and become criminals as adults. More drug users and criminals means more police, more courts and more prisons ALL of which INCREASE your taxes.

    In essence short term gain is going to cost you long term pain when it comes to taxes. That is what your vote for the wannabe Fascist-in-Chief is going to end up costing you and since you place such a high priority on taxes when it comes to voting it might have been worth your while to look at the science before casting your vote.
     
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    Let me repeat. All politicians lie, even Obama.
     
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    Sorry, I can't watch internet videos so I have no response.
     
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    So banning abortion is a fait accompli? I'll bet you're glad you weren't an unwanted child.
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Abortion was ILLEGAL when I was born but let that stop you from continuing to make spurious baseless assumptions in your posts.
     
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    OK, I withdraw my assumption. I believe you do wish you were an unwanted child.
     
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    :roflol:

    You just CONTRADICTED yourself....AGAIN!

    Sad!

    :roflol:
     
  22. dagosa

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    The old false equivalency. You can keep your doctor vs thousands of lies that compromise our health, security and trustthat hides corruption on an epic scale. Our gov. is now for sale to the highest, actually, any bidder.
    Sorry, that’s crapolla.
     
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    I'm not basing it on what Trump has said. I'm basing it on what the Dems have not done. IF the Dems actually had any evidence of an actual crime then they could have presented it during the impeachment proceedings. Instead all that they did was try and impeach him for non-crimes. Even now, if they had any evidence they could try and impeach him on that. And it doesn't have to be only evidence that the DOJ or a special council comes up with. It can be ANY agency. Federal or State. Which means if the NY AG actually had anything then they could bring it before the House and Senate and use whatever they had to try and get Trump impeached. But they haven't. And it sure as hell isn't for lack of trying.

    But plain fact of the matter is that they have yet to provide actual proof of a crime. Lots of insinuations yes. But not one shred of actual evidence of a crime. Or they would have used it. That is the logical conclusion that one gets by the actions of the Dems. Anything else is nothing more than emotional driven bias.

    And innocence in this country isn't granted. It's assumed from the start.
     
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    They're still suggesting Trump called all Mexicans rapists. Joe Biden is still lying about Charlottesville and repeating lies about Trump disrespecting our troops while denying Biden called our troops "stupid bastards" even though that's on youtube. And these phony polls? How can Biden be winning when no one goes to his rally's while Trumps are crowded. The severity of COVID in the US (about 1/10th the number of dead predicted actually did... maybe less) is Trump's fault while Cuomo put the ill in nursing homes for no good reason, literally killing Grandma? An now Biden says Cuomo may be his AG?
    The world is upside down.
     
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    Don't you wish that were true of Democrats as well?
     
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