I started this thread so where do you get off telling me I am derailing my own thread. You started off claiming all you wanted was a form. then it was registration and then licenses, then you screamed for real gun control after the vegas shooting. You are on record not only demanding all felons be banned from owning guns, you claim we need registration and UBGCs to prevent honest gun owners from selling guns to felons. So you clearly support banning all felons from owning guns
you post hundreds of times a day. go ahead and deny you constantly talk about other countries having lower rates of gun deaths
I am waiting for a post number. Tell me where I specifically supported a ban. You continue to lie and derail. And its just a form
You lose. I never praised a gun ban. You however are a big supporter of gun bans. And its just a form
The right against cruel and unuual punishment had which restriction placed upon it? What cruel and unusual punishment were deemed reasonable and allowed? You don't know any of the case law here either do you?
its more than a form-you want registration and licenses and you want to ban all felons from having guns. You have to admit that in order to push UBGCs
wrong-it requires time and effort to gather the information needed on the form. and usually a fee. and since its so minor, its not needed. if you want to register your guns, go ahead, the rest of us will not
Don't be coy. If the right to keep and bear arms, which shall not be infringed, can be infringed if it's "reasonable "(which is what I understand your position to be) then why not the right against cruel and unusual punishment?
Nope. The law applies to everyone. I just heard a new compromise from a pro gunner that I am willing to accept though. Do you want to hear it
Not a clue what you are on about. Prisons can do many things that some people find as cruel and unusual punishment. The court makes the rules though
It was a paraphrased quote from "Silence of the lambs"..... You promised to tell. "I just heard a new compromise from a pro gunner that I am willing to accept though."
All registration records are kept secret and only filed by serial number. It takes a warrant to release the information to any government official. I know....do you trust the government....but this is a reasonable compromise
And accomplishes nothing significant at all. We already have a paper trail. The gun is manufactured, it gets a serial number, in some cases, on various parts of the firearm, the factory maintains a record of those firearms first stop, a distribution point etc... That point maintains a record too, and eventually the gun is sold to a customer. So there is a paper trail that establishes a customer, however, since a firearm can be stolen or lost at some point, the trail goes cold oftentimes. Also, in twenty years time, degraded information due to deaths, moving, unrecorded personal or private sales and other factors contribute to a break in tracking firearms used in crimes or criminal activity. Other factors include intentional obliteration or defacing a serial number or in some cases, I have seen serial numbers expertly changed. Gun registration as a crime prevention method is destined to fail.
gun banners like the idea of putting the burden on the citizen. You were once listed as owning say an UZI semi auto carbine. The peoples Republic of NY bans those and the storm troopers show up at your door. Under normal circumstances, they have to prove you still have a gun that is now illegal. with registration, you have to prove you no longer have it
As a LEO I speak from experience in tracing firearms recovered at crime scenes, having been used in a homicide, if the serial number is defaced, what then ? Or if it was stolen, what does that tell you ? It does little to help solve a crime. To pretend that firearms registration helps in any significant way is to subscribe to an illusion.
