Why legalizing marijuana is the second largest mistake of our day

First of all, any active drug in marijuana can be extracted and given in pill form, so anyone who tells you marijuana is needed for medicinal purposes, or any hospital that allows people to take it, is on the drug-lord payroll.
The reason why people have the balls to make a "medicinal" claim is because they know, 1) many pharmaceutical drugs are sold that have little , or an unknown, effect and , 2) many pharmaceutical drugs are converted forms of street drugs.

Someone has decided they want to sell this cash crop in America so the conspirators in our society have completely invented legitimacy for it.

Is that the country you want to live in? The truth is what ever the rich SAY the truth is.

The only things you will accomplish by voting for legalized marijuana are,
1) The rich will be able to capitalize off of drug addiction.
2) You will increase sickness in the population. (Expenses which you will be forced to cover in the health care bill)
3) You will provide the "gateway" drug to introduce the youth of America to harder drugs. (Nearly every drug addict says they started with pot)
4) You will criminalize thousands/millions of people.

but you say , aren't we DEcriminalizing marijuana?
No you're not.
You're telling the young people in our country that it's ok to smoke pot, then every time they leave their house they will be at risk for getting arrested.

FOR EXAMPLE:
By voting to legalize marijuana you are telling young people at an early age that it's ok to use it, everyone is doing it.
A person is going to spend 20 years of their life handing their money over to legalized drug dealers, then one day they will get into a car accident and fail a very strict drug test.
We are rapidly approaching an era where people with any kind of mistake on their criminal history, driving record, or even credit history, will not be able to find work anywhere.

Our government is legalizing the selling of marijuana, not the using.

In Los Angeles when marijuana was legalized, the drug dispensaries popped up all over the place.
Now they've passed a law that only the first 135 who registered can stay in business.(no doubt the first 135 were in cahoots with the politicians)
It's a racket, it's not going to work the way you imagine.

...and if you think the government is going to say "Hey! we never have to raise taxes again because marijuana sales pays for everything!" ...then you've already been smoking weed.

 

So much wrong with this post

The pill form contains only THC- not the other ingredients. More importantly, one of the major reasons for medicinal marijuana is nausea control for radiation treatment and other treatments. A pill for someone who has terrible nausea is not only more difficult to take, it works much slower.

Now- I think there is lots and lots of abuse of the 'medical marijuana' claims. But why you bring up medical marijuana in a thread about legalizing pot, i don't really get.

The truth is that right now the money that Americans pay for pot goes to support drug smugglers and gangs. I would like to live in a country that doesn't chose a policy that enriches criminals

What drug addiction? I don't know of a marijuana addict. Currently criminals are capitalizing from pot sales.

???? Why would there be an increase in sickness- as opposed to the money that is spent currently enforcing pot crime?

Seriously- you don't believe this do you? Every single person I know who has smoked pot had tried cigarette's and alcohol first. Just frankly an outdated and false claim.

Well I guess we will find out now that Colorado has legalized marijuana.

I think you will be wrong, and the citizens of Colorado will be proven to be correct- that the overall affect will be like ending Prohibition.

 

Quite the opposite actually. The true "drug lords" are those who seek to keep things illegal, thus inflating their profit margins.
Additionally, by allowing people to have control over their own medicine, they are taking power away from pharmaceutical companies that try to enforce a monopoly on healthcare. No one is getting rich by you growing your own pot at home.

The reason they make the medicinal claim is because it is a very old medicine that has been used for over 1,000 years and has demonstrable benefit for certain conditions.

You have this extremely backwards. "The rich" do not benefit from a decentralized production and distribution. Look at who the biggest sponsors of anti-legalization legislation are and you will consistently find alcohol and tobacco manufacturers. The rich are the ones who benefit, whether it is the CIA who pads their black budget with distribution and production, or the big banks who make billions in laundering the money, or the drug lords who exist solely due to black market prices, keeping marijuana illegal is where the big business is.

How do "the rich" benefit from you growing marijuana at your home? I would be interested to hear this rationalization.

What sickness would that be exactly?

This gateway drug nonsense has been debunked for over a decade. It is just a talking point to drum up support for a failed war on drugs.

Complete nonsense. That is what is happening now. Why do you suppose we have the largest prison population on the planet?

I live in L.A. and it works just fine. The suppliers for the dispensaries are private growers, not big business or politicians. The initial semi-legalization was due to a proposition vote, meaning it was passed by a majority vote of the citizens. If you don't like it, don't come here. It seems to be working out fine for those of us who live around it.

I don't think it should be taxed at all...that is just something that is added in to appease more conservative voters.

 

There is actually a lot of truth to this. I hadn't really considered that about pharmaceutical drugs, but I think you're probably right here.

Everybody knows the "medicinal usage" argument for marijuana is bull(*)(*)(*)(*). It's just an empty excuse for people to get high. Pot doesn't do anything substantial to benefit anything. If it actually cured cancer, that would be one thing. But giving you the munchies is not a medical benefit. By that logic, cocaine should be an acceptable weight loss program since it's an appetite suppressant.

I'm actually pro-marijuana legalization. But this is what has always annoyed me about most of the pro-pot people. They're not honest about their motives. They try to hide them behind medical nonsense. Just say you want to get high. If people resonate with it, they'll support it. If not, they won't. But there's no need to try to slip it to them like a trojan horse. That's stupid.

 

Quite right. I fully support mj legalization, but when some young chap or gal says "it isn't bad for you at all" or "its better for you than alcohol" I'll tell them they're either dumb as f*** or they're high.

 

Well I dislike the ever evolving list of what Marijuana is supposed to do also- because I see no reason it shouldn't be a recreational drug like alcohol.

That being said- why are you so dismissive of the one medicinal benefit that anyone who has used marijuana knows is absolutely true?

Have you ever known anyone who is undergoing radiation and chemo for cancer? Does nasty things- including sometimes horrible nausea. This can cause rapid weight loss and can be deadly.

There are pharmaceutical drugs to help with this- but frankly pot works, works faster and is more practical to use.

I was in a pot club years and years ago before they became mainstream, and before they became mostly a semi-legal way to get recreational pot- and in those days, it was obvious that most of the 'members' were actually suffering from various debilitating diseases and treatments. Looking at those people then I was thinking- why the heck would anyone be opposed to these people getting relief from pot?

 

prohibition was the biggest mistake of out time...

 

I'm with you. The "medical angle" is mostly a joke. I find it hard to believe that the ONLY effective anti-nausea agent is marijuana. I also don't think that's what the majority of people who have a medical permission are using it for. The people I've seen interviewed who are using marijuana for cancer don't really look like the average cancer patient. These are not grey haired little old ladies smoking pot to be able to eat after chemo, these are ex-hippies. And I think they're hurting their cause more than they're helping it. When people figure out what the scam is, the door will swing shut, because people hate being lied to.

 

eating a pot brownie is tons more healthy then getting drunk on vodka or whatever

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I am sure it's the most enjoyable method and it's all natural...


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I say it is less harmful than alcohol.
The Only reason for it being illegal is for the purpose of making lots of money.
Governments have always been in the drug business that is why they won't let you grow it at home. Takes away their profits. The hypocrites! They have the stupid audacity to make a god-given Plant illegal. Surprizingly religious people go along with this. They allow human government to trump their god.

 

"You will provide the "gateway" drug to introduce the youth of America to harder drugs. (Nearly every drug addict says they started with pot)"

almost every drug addict says they started with Alcohol...

the truth is.. prohibition is the "gateway" to crime for many...

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There's the problem. people compare what is 'moderate' pot use to clear alcohol abuse. That's just a silly comparison.

 

Pleased to meet you.

 

I agree with this.

Because I used to be a pothead. It's a bull(*)(*)(*)(*) argument.

Yes. I have. And it's horrible.

It's not the nausea that's going to kill you. It's the cancer.

It's not more practical. It's just more fun. And that's the only reason people want to use it. You know what else cures nausea? Pepto Bismol. Already legal. Cheap. Easy to find. Over the counter.

What kind of "debilitating diseases?"

It's also tons more expensive.

 

I think anything can be a gateway, really. It's not any one particular thing. You know what the gateway drug for me was? It was sex. (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) was the first thing I got hooked on. Alcohol came next.

 

lol, true, many start to go to bars and parties for that very reason

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due to the prohibition of it...

 

Terrible logic at play here. People with pot convictions have a glass ceiling over there head today. People who admit to use but never got caught are made President.

 

I think that's how it played out because a lot of people wanted a legal venue to smoke. They took advantage of a system that was originally intended for a select group of patients. The way the measures were written, it is very ambiguous what qualifies as a covered condition, and I think it was done that way intentionally to bypass a silly law.

How do you know? And I don't mean "I used to smoke" or something like that, because unless you used to smoke while you had leukemia or something, it isn't the same.

I don't want to get into the whole biochemistry of human life with you, but just know that you will need calories and nutrients to live.
Also this:

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/51148243/ns/business-press_releases/t/federal-government-reports-marijuana-effective-combatting-certain-cancers-reports-adsi/#.UbOnGthQDQc

And this:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/19/marijuana-and-cancer_n_1898208.html

So are you willing to reconsider your position now that you see some level of benefit?

Cocaine causes heart damage and can be fatal. What are the comparable consequences for pot?

 

No more drug cartels.......I'm for that.

 

a stoner high on pot just killed 6 people when he knocked down a building onto a thrift store.

 

He knocked a building down? Like with his hands? Was there PCP in the weed?
Unfortunately having a thrift store fall on you is not a health problem from the pot itself. I'm sure people on cocaine do all sorts of crazy (*)(*)(*)(*), but I was talking about health effects.

 

death is a fairly serious consequence, even when it's strangers.

 

Your post is so full of fail, I hardly know where to begin.

Marijuana is not a dangerous substance. It is not addictive, and nobody known to history has ever died as a direct result of it's use. It was criminalized based upon false and racist concerns, primarily the worry the "negros" have a propensity to rape white women after having used it.

Your fundamental flaw is that you have merely "assumed" that marijuana is bad. You have not even remotely established that.

 

Because all it does is give you the munchies. That's all anyone says it does. And technically, it doesn't even really do that. It just gives you cottonmouth. Your throat feels raw, and food just feels good rubbing against it.

If you can show me an account of somebody saying something different, I'll listen.

I also know that you can eat while nauseous without getting high. Again, I'm not begrudging what these people want to do. I'm simply taking them to task for the disingenuous way they're attempting to push it. Just be honest.

Possibly. I'm not against legitimate medical benefits. I just don't believe they are real at this point in time. Like even those links have pseudo-science written all over them. Consider the sources. NBC and Huffington Post. Two notably liberal media outlets.

It seems more that people are trying desperately to find things to justify pot use for rather than simply searching for the most objective and effective cure for the disease. They're starting with the predetermined conclusion that "pot has medical benefits" and working backwards. Which shows an agenda, not a desire for the best results. It reminds me of the people who kept trying to find new arguments to justify cap and trade as useful even beyond just the environment. If you're looking for new reasons to push the same angle, then the angle is your top priority. Not the condition you claim you want to treat with it.

Stuff like this just sets off my bull(*)(*)(*)(*) filter.

This is a legitimate point. But I only made that comparison to point out that the argument was bull(*)(*)(*)(*) in the first place. You don't need "medicinal usage" arguments to justify the legalization of pot. Because it doesn't have the same adverse health affects as cocaine. Which is why I support the legalization of pot and not coke.

You really think that's going to change if it becomes legalized? What happened to "tax the hell out of it?" Isn't that the mantra we always hear?