Why so important to change gender if gender doesn't matter?

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Several years ago (maybe late 1998 to 2012) one of the "theories" coming from Progressives were that there are no fundamental differences between males and females, with the claim that it is almost entirely a just a "social construct".
    For example, there were many progressives who absolutely denied that any male/female brain differences existed, and they absolutely couldn't be convinced otherwise.
    But just a few years later, the "transgender" phenomena became the new leading ideology coming from Progressives.

    But here's a question: If gender difference is almost entirely just a "social construct", why would it matter so much if an individual wants to be "male" or "female"? Wouldn't that just be an absurd and arbitrary designation?
    It would just involve a few superficial differences in body appearance. Why support anyone going to the drastic effort of cutting and surgically altering their body, if gender does not really matter? And not only that, but the insistence they be recognized as the gender they want to identify as.

    There appears to be a bit of cognitive dissonance, or a logical contradiction.

    Can anyone please explain how these two different progressive-supported ideologies can possibly be reconciled with each other?
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think the renewed transgender movement started in Northern Europe beginning about 2009, and then finally made its way to the U.S. around 2014, beginning in San Francisco before that, years earlier, and gaining momentum in that city.
     
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    I think its both. There are, and always have been, from time to time people born with physical abnormalities that make them have some female parts and some male parts. The only 'trans' I know personally claims to have brain scans that indicate 'male pattern thinking' though was born a female. There are studies from the 90s that indicate men and women tend to use their brains differently.

    Though it does seem likely to me the rapid and massive increase lately is due at least in part to a lot of people just wanting to be in on the newest thing or be 'extra different' for the special attention.

    One should always consider when attempting to call out the fakes that there isn't a reliable method to determine who is just attention seeking and who actually has a real problem that they dont deserve to be denegrated for.

    But on the other hand, transitioning is NOT something that should be done on the whims of a trend.

    This is why the entire thing needs to stay within the confines of consenting adults.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If gender is not a fundamental human trait and does not matter, then there is no compelling that anyone would need to change their gender.

    To draw an analogy, it would be the same as being transracial (wanting to change your race/ethnicity, with cosmetic surgery), and then insisting other people recognize you as that other race.

    (Remember, progressives claim transgenderism has nothing to do with sexual attraction, so differences sexual attraction cannot be one of the reasons why gender would matter in this situation)
     
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    To simply answer your question why is it so important. When you pass the point of no return you're committed now
     
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    why one's religious choice so important, if religion doesn't matter, one can believe whatever they want? or should government force people to believe a certain way?

    I say let people believe what they want to believe.... as long as they are not hurting anyone in the process

    Example : people are free to believe in a God that got a 12 or 13-year-old girl pregnant, they just can't do it themselves
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    it's like getting upset with Elvis because he moved his legs in a way they did not like - then tying to outlaw it
     
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    In what way are you suggesting it "does not matter"?

    My understanding is that transgender has to do with the way one sees ones self.

    Your race related analogy simply doesn't come close to working in any way.
     

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