Why the Confederate flag still flies in South Carolina

Not without a 2/3rds vote of the general assembly lol

And if you think you're going to get a 2/3rd vote in the general assembly in SC you're delusional.

 

Hide & watch. Pinkley had a ton of respect on both sides of the aisle.

“I had a friend die Wednesday night for no reason other than he was a black man,” Brannon, a Republican, told MSNBC host Chris Hayes in a phone interview. “Senator Pinckney was an incredible human being. I don’t want to talk politics, but I’m gonna introduce the bill for that reason.”

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/06/s-c...alling-for-confederate-flag-to-be-taken-down/

 

Mark your words? lol Jeeeeze, sounds like a few guys in history I can think of...

Unfotunately I should have capitalized the P, Progressives as a group are not agreed with. The fact that some of those things you mentioned are supported by a large portion of the population shows they are not only Progressive ideas.

I have been a proud Libertarian for years yet you want to paint me in the single picture of "US vs THEM", its pathetic.

The fact that you said freedom of choice is hillarious

 

You're pretty hilarious yourself. Hey, you want a Confederated States of America license plate racist jacket patches like the dweeb who wanted to start a race war?

Fine with me. Normal people will take that into consideration prior to taking you seriously.

 

After viewing some close up images, pretty sure you're correct about the "fixed" part.

It's not illegal if the legislature says it isn't. Pinkney had a lot of Republican respect with lawmakers. They'll do it for him.

 

Haha see what I mean!

I disagree with you political ideology.

So to you I am the following
- racist
- a dweeb
- a war monger
- a southerner
- confederate flag supporter

Did I miss anything?

Do you yet see how much of a joke you are, or have you not caught up to the rest of the forum?

 

I didn't call you a racist, dweeb, war monger, or southerner. I was referring to Bowl Boy Roof.

No idea who you are or where you live.

But if you want to be like him, i can't stop you.

What i do know, is that you aren't worth any more of my time today.

 

To me this a no brainer.

The flag should never have been raised in the first place. Now that it is up, regardless of whatever has happened recently, it should be removed permanently for the following reasons.

1. The flag represents a period of history for a large segment of our population in which they were treated as property. They were beaten, raped, murdered, used as forced labor, bought and sold with no legal or political rights for the economic benefit of others in which they did not share.
2. The flag represents a period of history when a large segment of our population decided that the Constitution, legally elected officials and laws of their nation did not apply to them and that they would prove this by taking up arms.
3. The flag represents treason.
4. The flag represents a denial of legal authority which in a Republic is akin to treason.
5. The flag represents a willingness of people to take up arms against their own nation in order to perpetuate a way of life they knew to be unsustainable.

The fact that to some the flag represents some sort of link to heritage that heritage comes with the baggage stated above and that baggage far out ways any claim to heritage.
Imagine the international uproar if Angela Merkel approved flying the flag of the 3rd Reich over cemeteries of their fallen soldiers of WWII.

 

I have no problem with the history of the Missouri Compromise, or the Dred Scott case which found it unconstitutional or efforts of people in "free" states from stopping the abomination known as slavery. I do have a major problem with your twisted interpretation of those events. I also know, having first engaged race-baiting bigots in 1960 that there's little point in having anything approaching a rational discussion on the subject. I therefore urge you to continue to fly the 'stars and bars' so that people may know at a glance just who and what you are.

 

Naw, that's not racist. Some people just prefer to avoid stupid.

 

All excellent points but your final two were my personal favorites. Indeed -- thank you.

 

The victims aren't even buried yet, but let's not let a crisis go to waste if it furthers an agenda.

This is nothing but the political equivalent of an ambulance-chasing lawyer.

Not to mention that equating the Confederate flag to a mentally disturbed mass murderer will do NOTHING to heal racial divides. In fact, it will have the opposite effect.

But, hey, whatever floats yer boat!

 

If the bigots FINALLY seceded as they all promised to do after Obama was elected and reelected, they would be flying their archaic ideals flag as high as they want and wherever they want, but since we are still stuck with them, they need to remove it.

 

The notion that events should not dictate our actions does not follow any kind of logic. I know the talking point is this whole crisis going to waste bull but it is bull. Actions dictate reactions. If nobody ever reacted to actions that take place the world would be a confusing place. To suggest we should not take any action simply because of actions taken by other people, horrendous are not, is just an illogical, ridiculous notion. It makes no sense and is just bull talking point that most on the right seem drag out at every opportunity. I believe it exposes the complete lack of thoughtfulness on the part of many on the right. Of course actions should be responded to. It is logical and natural to take actions based on events that occur. To suggest otherwise is nonsense.

As to your point about removing the confederate flag from the Capitol not helping in race relations you could not be further from the truth. Removing the flag would go a long way to showing the African-American population of South Carolina that it is equally their state as well if only symbolically.

 

It is on a war monument just like other civil war monuments dedicate to confederate soldiers. A lot of the country may not like the fact that southern states still honor the sacrifice of our fallen confederate ancestors but we don't really care what you think. You can try to pass a federal law forcing the removal of all confederate flags from state lands but we'll just ignore it. While you scream about the racism you claim it represents, we just shoot you the finger and show you the rebel spirit it does represent.

Didn't the American flag represent a nation of slavery at one point? Perhaps the race hustlers should work to get it removed from all government properties as well. After all you guys don't what to be hypocritical do you.

 

Your post does nothing to explain why attacking the Confederate flag is THE appropriate reaction.

Yes or no. Will this knee-jerk reaction heal the racial divide? Common sense says 'no', but it's worth it 'cause it'll make the black folks feel better? WTH???

Your interest may be to make folks feel better. Mine would be to not see a higher body count as fallout over this incident. Feeling good is fine, but dead is dead.

 

Personally I couldn't care less about the confederate flag but I do care about a bunch of outside aggressors trying to force their idea of the south on us. So you are absolutely right them trying to force change is going to do more harm than good. But I think it has more to do with neomarxist than racism, I wonder if we'll see an influx of carpetbaggers coming down to try and straighten us backwards southerns out. You know because none of us take baths and we only have three teeth in a family of four and of course every person is racist.

 

First it is not a knee-jerk reaction. There is no way that flag should be flying in anything other than as someone's free speech right to be ignorant.

Second, the fact that it would help racial tensions is a no brainer. Right now the black population of S. Carolina and the nation are feeling particularly vulnerable. The fact that the government of South Carolina flies a flag that, as I have described earlier, represents continued racism on the part of the state makes them feel that the state does not represent their interests. If the state, particularly now, lowers the flag permanently it would be a symbolic measure that the state does not any way support or condone racism. It would go a long way in reassuring the black community in S. Carolina and in the nation that the government, in fact, can represent their interests as well.

 

You just don't get it, do you? Taking down the Confederate flag in South Carolina as a response to these murders is blaming that flag for these murders. In South Carolina? Ain't gonna happen but, if it did, it would only provoke a response to that response. There are hotheads of all colors. This would give them something to go off on.

That's not even taking into account the simmering bad feelings of all that would see this as spitting on their ancestors graves. Oh, they won't get violent, but the resentment will not go away.

Somehow, though, you, sitting thousands of miles away, have your finger on the pulse of South Carolina and have all the answers.

 

Well-stated.

 

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You describe me as being both a racist and a bigot. Good to know......and nothing redundant about it either.

 

Rather than attacking a flag, South Carolina could do other things to memorialize these victims.

It could order all state flags flown at half staff to symbolize the grief felt by the whole state. It could declare a statewide day of mourning in connection with this tragedy.

Also, ordinary Carolinians, especially those in Charleston, can line the funeral processions of the victims. BTW, I'm just about positive this will happen.

Furthering a political agenda at this time is the absolute worst idea ever. Charleston and the whole state are reeling. Let them work their way through this.

 

So, what is your personal attachment to this flag?
It seems that the only confederate flag that is meaningful is the "WHITE FLAG" that put an end to the secession war!

The confederate flag is an insult to the US flag, and only racists living in the past are rallying around it!

It's time to stash it in a museum and let the South be free of this shameful part of its history.

 

Be aware if someone wants to remove something that doesn't belong to them... it could get ugly. If someone walks down the street with a t-Shirt that says " Jesus Sucks ",I am compelled to leave he/she alone to express themselves . I expect the same consideration if I decide to display any of my flags.

 

waving the Rebel flag in the USA is no different than waving the Nazi flag in Germany.