Why there are growing negative sentiments against migrants?

Discussion in 'Immigration' started by haribol, Jan 13, 2016.

  1. JakeJ

    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A head gasket in under 1 hour? Naw, that's a leak fix, not a head gasket replacement.

    Given there are business overhead and numerous other costs, plus the various taxes and fees government is to collect on all paychecks and take from all paychecks, obviously he favors a $1 minimum wage and seeks out tax cheats to work deals with.
     
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    Taxes in this discussion means INCOME taxes. Sales taxes do not pay 1 penny of the federal government, nor do property taxes directly or via rent.
     
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    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Exactly, your average Trump supporter is a loser who is whining that he can no longer make a good living by sitting on his ass in the local roadhouse and (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)ing that America is no longer great because nobody can afford him anymore. The ones who don't do that are too busy making money by working for a living go to Trump rallies

    And let me tell you, it wouldn't help these jerkwads even if Trump does get elected and deports all their competition. I deal every day with older people whose houses are falling apart because they can no longer maintain them on their own and they aren't buying from the Craig's list crowd even if they are the only ones they know of. These overpriced yahoos just don't seem to understand the fact that if you don't have the money to send their daughter through college you don't have it
     
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    Absolutely FALSE. Let us try this quote:

    "The actual percentage of immigrants lacking legal permission who pay taxes is much higher, according to researchers. The institute's report estimates about a third of such immigrants nationally are homeowners, subjecting them to property tax payments. Another 50 percent are believed to pay income taxes. And as much as 75 percent of the population is believed to pay into the U.S. Social Security system (a system of benefits they wouldn't be eligible to receive anyway unless they became U.S. citizens)."

    http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-03-01/study-undocumented-immigrants-pay-billions-in-taxes

    "The 50-state analysis by the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy released on Thursday found that roughly 8.1 million of 11.4 million undocumented immigrants who work paid more than $11.8 billion in state and local taxes in 2012, even while they were living illegally in the country."

    http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2015/04/16/Study-Finds-Illegal-Immigrants-Pay-118B-Taxes

    In addition to the income tax they pay via the Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (the equivalent of your Socialist Surveillance Number ..ooops "Social Security Number") they still pay the same 40 cents a gallon on gasoline like you, the same sales taxes cigarettes, booze, and other consumer items.

    BTW, property taxes and sales taxes pay the lion's share of the costs for education. And, instead of creating a phony issue (shame on you for that) the federal government has not de jure / lawful business in education.
     
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    Thank you for your posting on this.

    A LOT of people come here without papers not because they are law breakers or being disrespectful, but rather because their own government won't let them come here via the so-called "legal" channels and /or there simply is no visa that fits their fact situation.

    Jobs are out there, just like you said. The problem is, when about 40 percent of the America workforce makes less than $12 an hour, they can't pay Bubba more money per hour than a surgeon makes just to do a job wherein the skill level can be learned in a few months.

    Furthermore, we have many instances that are like my brother in law. He can paint, do basic carpentry, etc. and yet he works for a restaurant making $9 an hour. I've offered him $20 an hour to come over once or twice a week and work around my house (using the chainsaw, putting up gutters, do a little painting.) You couldn't get this guy off his butt if you lit M80s under it. He is not an anomaly. I have a brother just like him and all of you have relatives that are the same way.

    If you want a job and have skills, start at the bottom charging realistic prices for the poor. You'll get higher paying jobs in the middle income sector after you've proven yourself and that leads to big contracts.

    If any of you have a gig to offer (small odd jobs around the house), advertise on Craigslist and see who shows up: BIG TIME contractors and the Hispanic guy with his brother at half the price. No white guys show up - unless they think they are big box contractors. If I'm paying big box prices, I want the bonded, insured, licensed, BBB approved company. If I don't need that level of protection, I'll hire the best man for the job and if no white American Trump supporter shows up, that is their damn fault. White people don't want to work.
     
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    There is only one other person on this board that lives in a more deluded world than what you described.

    The blacks never assimilated into our society. They made a religion of telling you how evil the white man was. Today, even when they control geographic areas, they cannot adapt and end up with a high rate of violence, unemployment and third world living conditions. And somehow although they control the area, it's the white man's fault.

    Whites, over-ridden with a guilt complex then set out to lick the black man's boots. The whites want to dress, talk, walk and mimic the black man in every way. They all want to be rappers, thugs and hood rats.

    Meanwhile the Muslims are taking neighborhoods over and changing the values of many communities. The only people the whites feel comfortable taking on are those who pose the least threat to them. The rest, they don't expect to assimilate - we'll simply adapt to their culture... right, "bro?"
     
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    It's obvious that you are one of those that supports the Trump "Build the Wall" religionists. The problem with your philosophy is that you buy into the lie that if someone is not favor of the militarized wall, then they want America flooded by foreigners.

    You are also a member of those who have no problem if foreigners take over America if they come in via so - called "legal" means. Right? Isn't that what makes you try and make such an outrageous analogy? Hell man, I made a more accurate analogy regarding gay rights and gun owner rights... every wiener tasting extremist on this board came out. You won't have to worry about others opposing you.

    The right has been programmed, Pavlovian style to react to certain stimuli. When you see your "solutions" being attacked, you think someone is attacking you. The reality is, the Build the Wall guys do more to exacerbate the problem and push themselves farther from any progress than the liberals could ever hope to do. Basically, the left is remaining silent and allowing you to hang yourself.
     
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    Your messages indicate advocacy of slavery - imported slaves of course. People who live hand to mouth with no insurance, no savings, ignoring all regulations and you benefiting from them as the untouchable class of people YOU essentially want here so you can prey upon them.

    Hey, its YOUR DEMOCRATIC PARTY that makes it more lucrative to NOT work unless you a make lot of money. It is CLINTON supporters who want everything for free, massive increases in government paying for their lives while they sit on the lazy asses. You LOVE lazyass people and want to shower more money on them to do nothing - money you want taken from people who actually work.

    It l is blue collar workers and small business owners who overwhelmingly make up Trump's support. Simply, put, your rant against Trump is outright false and mindless foolish partisanship. Combined with your other messages and then absurdly tried to turn into an attack on Trump are messages of perfect amorality, absolute intellectual dishonesty and mindless hypocrisy.
     
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    I don't mean to rain on your parade, but the reality is I don't vote for Democrats. Apparently Aleksander Ulyanov does support them. My complaint to you is that you do not understand the problem. Consequently, you are banking on a snake oil salesman to save you from yourself.

    At the current time there are millions of Americans out of work. Many of them are out of work due, in part, to the lobbying efforts of the "Build the Wall" religionists. Your side believes that everybody must be a Socialist Surveillance Card ... I mean "Social Security Number" owning, National ID Card carrying, licensed, permitted, bonded, subject of the NEW WORLD ORDER. This comes complete with the background check, pee test, hair sample, blood test, MVR check, credit check, etc. (most of which you allude to in your post.)

    Many Americans cannot find a job because they can't pass a background check. How many? Let me put it this way: America has more people in jail and prison than any nation in the world. Period. So, some guy has a "record" and it might not mean squat, but that is how we choose to treat our citizenry. Here is a couple of examples:

    A) I knew a guy that had a felony record from his teen age years. He had gone twelve years without a cigarette or a drink of booze, but all the good in his life was screwed by a single drug charge from when he was 17. He lived in a car when I met him. It was only because I knew that what he needed was someone to help him get his record expunged that changed his position in life

    B) The next guy I want to tell you about is a man who had to urinate some years ago. There used to be a rest area off the interstate a few miles north of here. Anyway, this guy goes to the rest stop (there weren't a lot of places to stop at in the area back then.) He pushes the rest-room door, but it's locked. So he retreats to the nearby woods and relieves himself.

    Well - the rest of the story goes like this: The bathroom doors were locked because men were propositioning men for sex. So, the local constabularies locked the bathroom doors, hoping to force the activity into the parking lot (where the cops had set up night cameras and a few cops to arrest offenders.) But our man just urinated in the dark... in the woods and was caught on camera. Today he is a sex offender. What kind of jobs do you think he qualifies for?

    I can't begin to tell you how many good people there that can't find a job due to the POLICE STATE mentality of the "Build the Wall" religionists that demanded National ID, background checks, and feeble attempts to institute socialism with respect to jobs. The job is owned by the man that creates it. If he is doing background checks, you lock Americans out of a job and allow the advantage to go to the so - called "legal" immigrant first. Some of the B.S. that people get a record for in this country aren't crimes in most countries.

    Once you've saddled employers with higher taxes, forcing them to do E Verify, the background check, pee test, hair sample, blood test, etc., etc. ad nauseam it just becomes too much of a ridiculous burden that it makes better sense to look for 1099 workers. And, like it or not, most undocumented workers have an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (the equivalent of your SSN.) They pay the tax and people are able to get the help they need.

    Your "solutions" coupled with a gimme society are what are the root of your problems. More socialism and bigger government can't fix it. Americans need to become more entrepreneurial. Ditch the SSN, work gigs for lower than the so - called contractor charges. Learn skills and boycott businesses that want to be a stooge for the NEW WORLD ORDER. The solution is not more government - it's less government.

    Trump knows that and his "wall" was just an opening negotiation. If Trump built his fortune dodging government, the "solution" is not his willingness to kiss the "Build the Wall" religionists backside, no the solution is to avoid government. You will never make your lot in life better by dragging others down.
     

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