Why we'll never bake your fake wedding cake PT. II

Prison? Fines? Is it now a crime to be a Christian?

 

What is wrong with the two points I made?

 

Yet you want to discriminate against Christians by forcing them to do something against their religion or force them out of business.

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I agree. They shouldn't get any special protection. The First Amendment should be all the protection they need.

 

unimaginable. We have found another common ground to step on.......So, just how do we get them out of our business and homes? I am almost desperate to get that done.

 

Intolerance is the new criteria for being Christian?

 

The Feds are in iit because marriage status has implications for Social Security, Income Taxes, Medicare, Veterans benefits, etc,etc.

 

Point out what laws the state has made restricting the free exercise of anybody's religion?

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Well the Fed is actually going to make a decision in the supreme court about whether or not a state can be in it.

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Well They are getting into it because the state was deeply in it.

 

Corruption of language.

 

Homosexuality is a sin. It's stupid to say that Christians all of a sudden became intolerant.

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I don't know. Most of this gay marriage is being written and passed by justices on the bench. Weird huh?

 

In the fifties and sixties, there were people who believed just as fervently as you do that christianity entails racial discrimination. I'm not arguing over the biblical validity of such a viewpoint, just pointing out that racism was a part of their religion. Our government was sensible enough to realize that individual rights should trump the "right" of bigots to use religion to discriminate.

Why should the same logic not be used here?

 

When did I say I believed that Christianity entails racial discrimination? I know that the democrat party believed in racial discrimination back then and still does today. Racism is a part of the religion of liberalism. I'm not quite sure what that has to do with the sin of homosexuality or the democrats war on Christians.

 

LOL. Emotional much!! I guess, do you see all the christians getting marched to prison daily. LOL.

 

Hypocrisy, wearing clothes with mixed fabric, adultery, thoughts, words, deeds, more sins that one can list. You sin multiple times everyday. Why are your sins less than the next person. Thinking that is hypocritical.

 

So no punishment for Christians who discriminate against gays?

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Laws shouldn't force people to commit sins.

 

Punishment for all who discriminate.
But you didn't bother to answer my question. You just dodged. Do you see christians getting marched off to prison daily for being christian?

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What law is forcing someone to commit sins? I can't think of one, I'll bet you can't either.

Can you ever post without being so emotional?

 

I'm not the one that has suggested that Christians be fined or imprisoned, the supporters of gay marriage are suggesting that.

If you force someone to participate in something that is against their religion or face fines or prison, that is forcing them to commit sins.

 

That was an error in phrasing. I meant to say that racists believed it as fervently as you believe that christianity entails homophobia.

My point is that they weren't given a free pass to discriminate, and I don't think you should either.

 

I'm not the one either. No christian is forced to support anything. A business does have to follow the laws if they want to remain open, they usually need a license to operate it, issued by the gov't. That license means they are subject to the laws of the state that issues the license. If they don't want to follow the laws issued by the license, they don't need to accept the license.

Getting married isn't a sin. Even getting married to the same sex isn't a sin.

How many christians are getting sent to prison daily for being christian? You made the claim, now back up the claim.
Are you right now in prison for being christian? Is there a warrant out for your arrest because you're a christian?

 

It is one thing to discriminate against someone because of their skin color. It is quite another to discriminate against someone because of their behavior.

 

Exactly. And if the laws of the state say you have to do something that goes against your religious beliefs or be fined or imprisoned then you are using the power of government to force someone that goes against their religious beliefs. Why do you feel it is right for the state to reject a license to operate a business based on their religious beliefs? That violates their First Amendment rights. It's not as if people aren't already being sued, or fined for violating gays civil rights already. It's happening all over. And what will the penalty be for not paying? Normally it's jail.

Getting married isn't a sin, I agree. Getting married to the same sex is not possible. Homosexuality is a sin.

This is the path that we are on. There is a conflict in our society that is intentionally being set up. It's the democrats War on Christians, and so far they are winning.

 

No one is forced to open a business. If you go for a motor vehicle license, you must follow the laws to operate that motor vehicle, if you don't you could lose your license.

And no business has ever been forced to perform a homosexual act. Ergo, never forced to sin.
I see same sex marriages everywhere. So it is possible.
Look pictures of weddings. http://www.shutterstock.com/s/gay+marriage/search.html

Emotional psychobabble.

 

No state is requiring that you go to a gay wedding as a pre-condition of driving.

I never said that anyone wants to force businesses to perform homosexual acts. You want to force bakers to participate in gay weddings. That is forcing them to do something against their religious beliefs. I don't know how many times I have to say it. You are attacking people of faith, trying to force them using the power of government to violate their religious beliefs or face fines, penalties, civil lawsuits, prison, and the loss of their jobs and businesses.

 

You will have to say it until you die or change your thought process from being wrong.

Baking a cake in your shop is not participating in a wedding. The wedding hasn't even taken place yet. And you just agreed, getting married isn't a sin.
They are not forced to open a business especially if they can't follow the laws of operating the business that they signed up for by asking for the business license. Not rocket science here.

 

In the view of the baker it is as he would bake a birthday cake or sell donuts to homosexuals without any objection.

It is not about gay marriage being sinful, it is about forcing Christians to condone the behavior of homosexuals and the act legitimizing their bond.

You're right, it's not rocket science. Try putting yourself in their shoes.

 

They are not being invited to join in the wedding, just back the cake move on with life.