Why would a homosexual couple want to raise a child?

I'm not the least bit surprised that you fooled yourself into thinking it did.

Wrong question.

I guess I also shouldn't be surprised you think I'm credulous enough to find interesting an unverifiable account from an anonymous poster - not that it would militate against anything I said even if she turned out to be another Joan of Arc, of course.

Far be it from the y-man to suggest the bureaucrats in your Godforsaken country would fail to take every opportunity to ensure that British children can't think for themselves.

 

What a dumb post. Please explain how a three year-old, for example, is able to think rationally for itself. Naturally you don't believe me because it doesn't fit your absurd narrative. Do I care?

 

And what is that reason (rhetorical)? Those of us who are parents can only answer for ourselves. I know that we knew that we wanted to have children. We waited until we could live on my salary so momma could stay at home during the important years. I can't remember the why, but I do know that I can't imagine my life without our children.

When I see the faces of our children I do see a reflection of my wife. About adopting, she was adopted and her mom and dad could not have more kids so they adopted. In fact, they were so grateful, she was spoiled rotten.

I don't know, maybe it's instinctive within our species to want to reproduce? Maybe it's more abnormal to not have kids?????? If that is the ultimate reason then it would stand to reason that even those who can't create children biologically, or won't, still have that desire deep inside.

 

Why a three year old? Do 12 year olds not count as children in your book?

I neither believe nor disbelieve. I merely note that it is an unverifiable and irrelevant anecdotal datum.

Obviously that's a yes, since you're the one making an issue of it.

 

Coded Response #1....whenever someone is asked a question they cannot answer without embarrassing themselves or contradicting a straw-man argument they're trying to make.

 

[SFJEFF said;

For the same reasons any other person would like to raise a child or children of course.[/QUOTE]

Yep, really is that simple.

Not really sure why someone would think gay people aren't real people with the same general desires as everyone else. I suppose those people really do think who you are is defined only by the gender of the person you're in love with.

I mean, I'm sure that being in love with my wife is the only thing that kept me from becoming an Episcopalian accountant instead of an atheist engineer.

 

Alas for your fantasy life, neither is the case here.

 

Then you should have been able to answer the question....instead of needing to dodge it?

 

Even if I were not it's beside the point, seeing it was obviously crafted to steer the conversation away from the fundamental psychological dynamics of this phenomenon - which of course makes it a wrong question.

 

And those who adopt or otherwise raise children can also only answer for themselves.

Makes the question rather pointless eh?

I know some wonderful people who have chosen to adopt children- and I ASSUME that they did so for reasons that were important to them, but probably not too dissimilar to why my wife and I chose to raise bear and raise a child.

 

Your obsession with America...the United States...is pathetic and telling. Please...stick with the topic and save your hatred for your own threads.

 

Homosexuals are not cookie cutter. I think there is a segment that wants to be "equal" to heterosexuals and "normal" and raising a child is their effort to reach that goal. For some it might be a trophy to showcase...like some celebrities that race off to Africa to grab a black child they can put in front of a camara. Some might want to raise a child to ingrain their ultra-liberal, homosexual oriented values...the values they deem important. Which...is what most parents do. There is a segment that might want to raise boys...(uh oh...). There was a gay couple in my kid's school raising a daughter. They seemed like good parents.

Its hard to say.

 

we are animals and I believe in most of us, there are maternal and paternal instincts. I don't think choosing to engage in homosexual sex makes those instincts go away. For the super majority of us who are comfortable with the plumbing we're given, and follow nature, then if we want, we try and have our own kids.

For those who choose a different path, I believe that they still feel the call of parenting

 

Your post is chock full of opinion and pejorative assertions that do not seem to be well thought out, but contains little or no facts. In addition, it’s unclear as to what position you’re taking on child care by gay people. Perhaps you would like to clearly state your position and back it up with facts. Thoughts?

 

Not all heterosexuals, just the bigots and idiots

 

Or maybe, gay people want to be parents for the same reasons everyone else does. Just maybe.

 

You didn't explain anything . You asserted .".......having factored genuine love out of the homosexual parenting equation, what's left?" You offered the OPINION that there is no love. You did not explain why or how you know that. THAT would be an explanation.

 

Let me throw out a few considerations for you to chew on:

1. There are currently well over 1million children in the US living with a gay parent figure or a gay couple. Many of those are adopted children

2. Every state except Fla. allows single people, including gay people to marry

3. States are increasingly allowing gay couples to adopt jointly, especially where gay marriage is legal

4. In some state, even where, even where they cannot yet marry, the partner of a gay person can adopt his/her child as a second parent adoption

5. There is NO credible evidence that children of gay parents do not do as well, developmentally, educationally, emotionally that children of straight parents. Don't believe me? Read up on the case currently going on in Michigan where a federal judge threw out the states ban on gay marriage. (stayed pending appeal) The states case rested largely on the claim that gays parents were bad for the kids. Long story short, they were kicked out of court.

6. Regardless of whether or not gays are allowed to adopt, they will, one way or another have children in their care. Children deserve the security of having two legal and married parents when possible. Anyone who claims that they are against gay marriage and adoption for the sake of the kids is using the kids to make their bigotry.I don't believe that you give a crap about the kids. Neither does the OP

7. The only thing that will be crushed is are the far right theocrats and ideologues that are stuck in the 19th century . 70% of people under 30 support gay marriage and adopting. Read my signature line.

Have a good apoplexy

 

Children raised by gay or lesbian couples benefit when their parents are allowed to marry, America’s top pediatrics group said Thursday in support of same-sex marriage.
“If a child has two living and capable parents who choose to create a permanent bond by way of civil marriage, it is in the best interest of their child(ren) that legal and social institutions allow and support them to do so, irrespective of their sexual orientation,” the American Academy of Pediatrics said in a policy statement.

Dr. Ellen Perrin, co-author of the policy statement, says marriage gives children of same-sex couples the same advantages of any married couple’s children.
“Marriage provides permanence and security for children, and those are extremely important for children’s well-being,” said Perrin, a professor at Tufts University School of Medicine who specializes in the developmental behavior of children. “(Marriage) allows them to grow up in an environment in which they’re confident of the solidity of their family and the fact that their family is just like every other family of kids they know in school.”

http://thechart.blogs.cnn.com/2013/03/21/no-evidence-same-sex-marriage-harms-children-docs-say/

 

So why would a gay couple NOT want to have children ? The fact is that they will have children, so if we really care about children, we as a society had better give those children and their parents every support and opportunity that is available to everyone

 

Sure, we're all different; but WRT certain elemental qualities, we're all the same. Were it not so, a self-governing society would be impossible; and to the degree those common elements are ignored, we may reasonably expect society to devolve from self-governance into despotism.

I think you're letting your brain hustle you away from your insight. There are all sorts of rationalizations available to those who would conduct themselves irresponsibly, but when such conduct involves another person that conduct has no other purpose but to misuse that person for the sake of self-aggrandizement.

I guarantee they were not.

Most parents "seem like good parents", even if it comes to light years later that the children were being molested. Alas, such outrages are only outliers, and if we made laws against every possible parental failure, I suppose the paper they were printed on would make a stack high enough to reach the Moon. Surely the average parent in 1960 "seemed like" a better parent than the average parent today, but they reared a generation which elected Carter, Clinton and Obama. Does the fruit fall far from the tree?

Not for me, it ain't.

This is all that showed up when I hit "reply with quote", so this is all I'm responding to. Unfortunately there's nothing here worth responding to, so I'll just take this as an opportunity to inform you that if you want your entire post responded to by me, you'll have to use the quote function properly - which is to say, like I do.

Of course I did. That you choose to quote something that followed the explanation as if it were the explanation hardly changes the facts.

 

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Actually I don't much care if you reply to me or not. I said what needed to be said and it's there for all to see. You can run from it or deal with it. If you had anything useful to say you would have figured out how to respond....I suspect that you do not. All that you have is hateful rhetoric. And, you have explained nothing.

 

Since it's reasonable to conclude you have nothing new to say, there's a third option: I can ignore it.

It's not a matter of figuring anything out, it's a matter of convenience. If you had anything interesting to say, I might disregard that consideration. Things being what they are...

Pure projection, obviously.

Alas, Rue 2 prohibits a forthright and appropriate response.

 

Do you have an LGBTQ army in Canada? Was it formed before of after you had marriage equality there?

 

I have to say that I've been on this forum for about 6 months now and I have never experienced one as virulent and hatful as this one. The tone was set by the OP and the homophobic hate mongers have not let up with the bigoted rhetoric and moronic clap trap since. There has been no attempt, on the part of those opposed to gay parenting to actually provide a fact based argument to support their cause. Rather, they present baseless, inane opinions that others are supposed to accept as factual reality. They talk about gays as sub-humans who can't experience love and who only want children to satisfy some imagined selfish, personal gratification.Rather than using this forum as a place to respectfully exchange ideas and opinions, they are using it to spew hate and to preach their version of reality. They claim to be concerned for the children , but it's abundantly apparent that they don't care a wit about the children but are simply using then as pawns in their failed and futile battle against gay rights. They should be thoroughly ashamed.