"Wife wasn't attracted to me after I came out as Trans"

Let’s review some terms here.

First ‘intolerance’ — unwillingness to accept views, beliefs, or behaviour that differ from one's own. It would be appropriate to label those who don’t accept homosexuals due to their sexual orientation and those who don’t accept transgender people due to the gender they choose to live as, as ‘intolerant’.

I am happy to label myself as intolerant because I do not accept any kind of views, beliefs, or behaviour that attacks a group of people related to sexual orientation and gender.

Second ‘homophobia’ — having or showing a dislike of or prejudice against gay people. Examples of homophobic behaviour includes avoiding socializing with gay people, using negative language and labelling gay people as a group, thinking gay people are going to hell because they are sinners, thinking God doesn’t like or approve of gay people.

Third ‘transphobia’ — the fear or hatred of transgender people or people who are perceived as not meeting society’s expectations around gender roles, identities, and presentations. Transphobia is closely linked with homophobia.

Fourth ‘slur’ — An insult or slight. An extremely offensive and socially unacceptable term targeted at a group of people (such as an ethnicity, sexual orientation, etc.).

It is directly against the rules of this site to post slurs —

Maybe, these infractions should be reported.

Personal attacks are also not allowed but if a member is making intolerant, homophobic, transphobic statements directed at people based on their sexual orientation, gender, …and those statements meet the definitions of intolerant/homophobic/transphobic, then one is merely identifying a behaviour a poster is exhibiting.

It’s one thing to say, ‘I don’t think it’s right that people should be gay or transgender, because I personally don’t believe it’s appropriate as opposed to words being used below.

Here are some words used to describe homosexuals and/or transgender persons on this thread — ‘deviant cult’, ‘satanic in origin’, ‘shamelessly promote deviancy’, ‘abominable notions’, ‘toxic’, ‘a circus of sexual self indulgence and gratification’, ‘homosexuality is a sin’, ‘liars’, ‘perverted’, ‘immodest, shameless, deceptive, immoral, self-righteous, judgemental, tyrannical’, ‘deviant cult’, ‘evil in advancement’.

If these comments are not homophobic, transphobic, and intolerant, then what are they? They are slurs. They are bullying and insulting. Judging people soley based on sexual orientation and gender identity. So, what do you do when you discover a life-long friend is gay or transgender; start hating on them? What do you do when you discover your Doctor, your neighbour, relatives are gay or transgender? Do you start hating on them? Why would you, it’s illogical.

Why are these comments even on a thread about a person who decided they wanted to live as a female?

And seriously, those who are whining about personal attacks — could you be more hypocritcal? You attack groups of people as being nasty evil deviants, yet you don’t like if somebody calls out your very real behaviour. And every time, you make your nasty comments, you are personally attacking any gay or transgender person who happens to be taking part in this thread.

 

Well said!

 

Disagree with your assessment of transphobia. That word is used to describe straight men and lesbian women who aren't down to bang a dude in a dress. Freak out all you want with me saying that but that's what we're talking about.

I'm called transphobic because I'm a gay guy and thus not attracted to women even if they pretend to be men.

Being straight lesbian or gay is transphobic at least the way the word is used so it's more a point of pride and less something to be concerned about.

This isn't me it's women who are clearly women telling me that I'm transphobic for seeing them as what they are.

 

When we stand up for what we believe is right in a society that is definitely decaying, are we taking it personally? Illegal invasions of our border in record insurmoun table odds, acts of sodomy committed on the floor of Congress and advertised publicly, attacks on our military forces with no retaliation. Yes, I take it all very personally. I often wonder, what will be left behind for my children's children.

 

You say you are born trans but that is in contradiction to reality. Everyone is born from the union/marriage between a man and a woman. And we are all born chaste and virgin, either male of female. That is our origin. What you suggest is that how you behave now as an adult is how you were born. But that is not true. How you behave is how you behave. And it is in contradiction to how you began. Otherwise any affinity for any aberrant behavior is justified by saying hey it's how I was born. I'm attracted to animals, children, my own gender, cruelty, theft, murder, rape, etc. It's all justifiable in the heart and mind of the doer. People actually have the capacity to delude themselves. Can you prove that being born a pedophile is a sin?

As for scriptures, I seldom refer to them. In this particular set, I believe it was dairyair who introduced scripture, wrongly as a hedge rather than to enlighten.

Religious liberty isn't freedom from religion. It is the liberty to seek and find the God of our freedom at our own leisure. While there is no proof that God mistakenly placed you as a woman in a mans body. It does go to the dual nature of man being spirit and body. Ironically, this concept of spirit and body is evidentiary for proof of God.

 

CONFIRMATION that you have NOTHING of evidentiary SUBSTANCE to support your NEFARIOUS SLURS against transpeople like myself.

Duly NOTED that all of the Xtofascist FAILINGS, (attracted to animals, children, my own gender, cruelty, theft, murder, rape, etc) are PROJECTED onto transpeople with ZERO EVIDENCE for any of those VILE CANARDS.

OTOH we have DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE of Xtofascists abusing animals, molesting children, CRUELTY, theft, murder and RAPE just recently by the HEAD of the FL RNC.

The TRUE IRONY is this BIBLICAL INJUNCTION that you conveniently IGNORE.

Matthew 7:5 ESV
You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.​

So not only do you NOT have any SUBSTANTIATION or factual EVIDENCE for your SLURS against transpeople like myself you VIOLATE your own SAVIOUR'S directives in the process.

Sad!

 

Clearly you don't understand scriptures. Clearly you're throwing verbal stones. Calling people liars for being how they were born/created.

Everyone sins. You included. And no ONE will EVER stop sinning on this earth. According to Christian belief.

You sin, calling out others sin is hypocrisy. Hypocrisy itself is a sin.

You only know what is right for you. Not the entirety of the world. You are not GOD!!!!

What you say are lies. You know nothing about the nature of humans of living creatures.

 

You're acting all self righteous as a sinner yourself. I asked you, are you sin free? Why don't you answer?

You calling out others sins while yourself being a sinner and a hypocrite(also a sin) is lying.

You are no better than any other sinner. Period. Unless you want to proclaim yourself sinless.

 

I'm sorry to hear that.

 

By all mean, justify cannibalism and eating feces.
Cannibalism is illegal.

Unicorn thing is for those who are not able to make a coherent argument. It's a sign of losing the debate.

I don't make the claim, it is science and nature that make the claim we are part of the animal kingdom.
If you failed science or never took science that is on you.

 

Hypocrites fail to see the lies they tell themselves.

 

While you're at it, how about yourself? You sound accusatory. I'm not pointing out sin. I'm addressing the falsehood of promoting of sexual perversity as righteousness. And I'm addressing the self serving rationalisms which the deviant movement is using to advance their movement in society, as well as their targeting business people for financial destruction, and grooming vulnerable children in our schools to indoctrinate, brainwash, and condition them to behave deviantly. They have also perverted the institution of marriage, combined to economically drive away advertisers from anyone who doesn't aid them in their advancement, are destroying womens sports, and pretty much forcing their behavior into every aspect of life in America. Long gone are their lambish mews of not hurting anyone and just wanting to be left alone to be themselves. The homosexual movement is self righteous, aggressive, violent, and perverted. They/it makes distillers, pornographers, and whoremongers look like wayward choir boys.

 

You do you. We understand what that is. Just keep it off the table in the hall of congress.

 

Science doesn't have all the facts. It never has. It is written that God made the earth, the animals, and everything on the earth. And after it was prepared, he made us from the same earth, as his offspring and in his image. So we are made separate from the animal kingdom by orientation and in purpose. The theory of evolution doesn't fill that gap. It ignores a solid seven or eight thousand year history of civilization sans anyone evolving.

 

Complete DEARTH of relevant Subject Matter Knowledge duly noted above.

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IRONICALLY the only thing that has NEVER evolved are the Stone Age Superstitions and Myths that define religion.

Hardly surprising that humans are EVOLVING away from RELIGION.

 

Going away from the truth doesn't minimize the truth. It only maximizes ones distance from it. And that is fool hardy. When I first heard the theory of evolution, I thought of my Parents, family and friends. And I was struck by the absurdity of the theory. About a decade later, I came to know personally that God is real, he lives, and is divine. There is no God in evolution, no creation, no innocence, no accountability, no fall from grace, no savior or salvation, no hope, no destination, and no purpose. Not to mention no evidence of a person actually evolving. You have to close your eyes to all the evidence to the contrary to embrace the theory. The evidence being 7 or 8 thousand years of recorded human history, of people being born human, living human, and dying human. To vault from that solid foundation into the time before time, leaping thru the dark from this fossil to that artifact, thru tens and hundreds of thousands of years is a fantasy without reclamation. And yet it is done upon the verifiable present, like the exercise of free speech to suggest it had no beginning, origin, or guarantee.

 

Fatuous content above EXPLAINS why young people are ABANDONING religion in DROVES.

Can't say I blame them, that DENIAL of FACTUAL reality content is beyond ABSURD.

 

You used the word sin many times. There's no sexual perversion. You don't make the rules or decisions. You're not god.

No one said sex of any kind is righteous. There's no such thing.

Marriage is a legal contract in the eyes of the law of USA. That's it.
Catholics can now sanctify same sex marriage.

Gays are violent?
Another false claim. Stop with the lies.

 

Keep what off the table?

 

BS.
Goat herders had no clue about humans.
That's who wrote Genesis.

 

Pretty sure you introduced scriptures and the word "sin" into the conversation when you quoted Jesus's words from the Bible so as to attempt to make me shut up. No I don't make the rules of right and wrong. I merely acknowledge and serve right and wrong according to my conscience and that which is self evident. So I don't spread or tell lies. You can close your eyes to the truth. But the truth doesn't cease to be. I have supported everything I've said with science, reality, self evident truth, and reason. You have merely repeated unsupported claims to the contrary as if you are the God of anything goes, except for the truth of course.

 

Having read some really nasty comments related to gay people and how homosexuality is their choice, I just shake my head and think WTF.

Why would somebody actually choose to be gay. If there actually is a ‘choice’ between heterosexuality or homosexuality, why would people make the choice to change their whole lives and face persecution, rejection, ridicule and often isolation from their families. Why would anybody ‘choose’ to be gay, bisexual, or trans — what’s the pay off?

It is downright ludicrous to think that sexual orientation is a flip of a switch.

I don’t know why some people avoid science and examples from natures. Human beings are a species of animals whether you want to accept that or not.

The scientific name of human beings is Homo sapiens.
We belong to the Kingdom - Animalia.
We belong to the Phylum - Chordata (Vertebrate).
We belong to the Class - Mammalia.
We belong to the Order — Primate.
We belong to the Family — Hominidae.
We belong to the Genus — Homo.
We belong to the Species — Homo Sapiens.

Let’s take a look at Bonobos who share 98.7 of their DNA with us, therefore one of our closest living relatives in the animal world.

Bonobo > Kingdom = Animalia.
Bonobo > Phylum = Chordata.
Bonobo > Class = Mammalia.
Bonobo > Order = Primate.
Bonobo > Family = Hominidae
Bonobo > Genus = Pan.
Bonobo > Species = Pan paniscus

Humans have a larger brain with a bigger cerebral cortex and a higher concentration of neurons. Humans have complex forms of verbal communication and we are the only animal to create and use symbols as a means of communication. Humans have more varied and complex social organizations. Humans are the only animals that have the ability to create new ideas and complex technologies. That point is a good example of evolution of humans — started with inventing rudimentary tools to thousands years later using complex technology.

So what separates the human animal from a Bonobo or any of the other great apes (Gorillas, Chimpanzees, Orangutans). These great apes are intelligent with mental levels equivalent to a 3-4 year old human child. This is enough for them to learn very rudimentary sign language.

Bonobos are distinct from the other great apes because their groups tend to be more peaceful and are led by females. They maintain relationships and settle conflicts through sex. Bonobo males engage in various forms of homosexual behaviour. Obviously not a ‘choice’. Just one of their natural behaviours.

In fact, in nature, there are over 1500 species of animals that engage in some form of homosexual behaviour. Doesn’t seem like animals engaging in homosexual behaviour is some kind deviance as it occurs in nature over many species including humans. None of these species are choosing to engage in homosexual behaviour and this behaviour does not translate into a species dying out. Seems both heterosexuality and homosexuality exist in nature as normal behaviours. How one can deny that homosexuality occurs throughout nature as a ‘biologically driven’ behaviour is beyond me.

Due to our bigger brains and ability to communicate, humans as a species of animals target and persecute gay people. Not all do though, because, due to our bigger brains we can choose what behaviour and attitudes we exhibit towards others. Homophobic humans deny the fact that homosexuality exists naturally in nature to the point they illogically deny that humans are classified as animals and are closely related to great apes. They can only say homosexuals ‘choose’ to be homosexual because they can’t tolerate the behaviour might just be part of a continuum of natural behaviour in the animal world. It has been demonstrated on many levels that homosexuality is not a choice. I guess if people want to deny science, that’s their choice but it’s too bad that their denial and intolerance results the persecution and hatred of somebody due to biologically driven behaviour.

 

Cute. Next you'll discount Jesus gospel because he was a mere handyman. And his Apostles were only local net menders and fish netters.

 

You think the term "goat herders" is demeaning. You probably equate it with others today that you find to be your inferiors....bricklayers, carpenters,farmers, etc. You see yourself, it seems, as an "elite" benefactor due to your education/indoctrination.
It is believed by many that Genesis was at least "compiled" by Moses who was your superior intellect in every aspect imagined. Moses was one of the Patriarchs that appeared to Jesus, John and James and Peter as described in Luke 9:28-35 in the Transfiguration. Now I have heard you denounce the Apostle Paul and express that you only value the teachings of Jesus. It seems that profession is merely something you use to gain some favor with your "Christian friends and family" but in reality, you mock Him as well.

 

Again you tell another lie. The Pope, who I do not hold in any high esteem, has acknowledged "blessings" on same sex "unions" but not to equate it at all with Marriage or any Church sanctioned Union. The act of sexual involvement between same sex unions is still a sinful act. There is great division within the Catholic Religion over this degree of "appeasement".